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To report someone I know is driving with no license?

101 replies

Smashcam · 15/08/2018 14:34

NC as possibly outing and going to try and keep details to a minimum for same reason.

I work with someone who is epileptic so has to renew their license every 12 months, the job we do involves driving big vans. He never told us he was epileptic when he joined we have only just found out due to him having no license atm (long story but basically he was boasting to another employee who told the boss) Boss is very cross and obviously not letting him drive the vans but the person leaves in a fortnight so we are happy to leave it there wrt work. The person also works in a bar at weekends.

Work found this out on Friday and today is my first day back in (been ill) so I have only found out today. He has driven his car to and from work everyday since Friday (and before) and his license actually ran out mid July. He says he has a GP appointment in September to have a medical to get his license back but I have absolutely no idea what this involves/how long it takes between seeing GP and having license back.

The person also often drinks after work (2or3 pints) and then drives home. Having recently had a car written off by an unlicensed uninsured driver and losing just over £2000 from the whole thing, this has touched a nerve with me and I don't think they should be driving. I also don't like the person very much so this could be clouding my judgement.

So WIBU to report them for driving with no license or should I just let it go because he can drive and did have a license he just seems to be being lax about getting it renewed.

OP posts:
SusanneLinder · 18/08/2018 07:43

Absolutely report him.

MissusGeneHunt · 18/08/2018 07:43

Yeah am with the majority. You have knowledge of a high risk issue, and therefore a moral duty of care to report it. NOW.

Do NOT feel guilty about this in any way.

Good luck.

Salazaar · 18/08/2018 07:47

Report him

redneckstumpy its an attitude like yours is cowardly. It might not be your circus not my or monkeys" but you have a moral and social responsibility to grass on arseholes who take our or our kids lives

PattiStanger · 18/08/2018 07:56

Out of interest redneckstrumpy how would you feel if a driver who shouldn't have been on the road killed your child or partner and you found out that it could have been avoided but the person who knew about it was a selfish knob who couldn't be bothered to make a phone call?

sleepingonthesparebed · 18/08/2018 08:00

If an accident did happen while he was driving the van for work and it could be shown that the employer knew about all this but did nothing anyway then they'd get shafted too for not preventing him from driving.

BlueBug45 · 18/08/2018 08:05

OP as well as reporting him you should also mention to your boss in passing, cases where either the victim(s) of the vehicle crash has sued the employer of the driver and/or the employer was facing criminal charges brought by the H&S executive.

bellinisurge · 18/08/2018 08:07

@RedneckStumpy is, I think, in the US. Rules of the road, indeed driving itself, is different to the UK.

LeroyJenkins · 18/08/2018 08:08

Have you reported yet?

SauvignonBlanche · 18/08/2018 08:12

I think there’s a lack of understanding being displayed here with regards to legislation about driving and medical conditions.

If the OP’s co-worker has a temporary liscence that expired mid July then this would indicate that the DVLA are aware of his condition otherwise why would he have a time limit on his licence?

My license was only granted for 12 months at a time since my brain tumour and expired at the end of June.

I am still able to drive, under Section 88 of the Road traffic Act providing I have made a reapplication within the last 12 months and my Doctor knows of no reason why I should not.

The DVLA send you a letter explaining all this when you reapply. The drink driving is of course a completely seperate matter which I would happily report but not the medical condition as it sounds like he has this in hand.

HushabyeMountainGoat · 18/08/2018 08:13

This immediately made me think of the Glasgow bin lorry crash where 6 people were killed. The driver had been having blackouts and not telling anyone. He was arrested again the following year for driving without a license. Some people just think theyre invincible.

SauvignonBlanche · 18/08/2018 08:47

Yes, a completely different scenario.

iwunderwhy · 18/08/2018 09:01

Just got rear ended this week at lights, middle day, perfect light, just finished Mummy & me class, DC in back. Me livid, told driver to pull over to nearby supermkt car park. She; 24, clean cut, said she was going to work. DL but no insurance. Begged me not to call the police, started crying. Felt really sorry for her so I called Mum and then sis for advice. At that moment sudden downpour so we sat in respective cars. Both immediately told me to call cops. Mum sd what if tmrw she contacts your insurance claiming her neck is hurting and now there's a claim against you?! So I called the cops who arrived in 30 mins. Girl did 360 on me, sweet 24yr old instantly changed, started screaming, ranting, in her car after they took her details, gave me filthy looks, mouthed abuse at me. Now I'm bloody glad I called the cops! They ticketed her and told her not to drive car home. She started arguing with them that she had no one to collect her car & it was just a short drive to her home, until he got visibly annoyed! Do you know when I came back from supermkt 30 mins later after getting emergency food for baby her car was gone? Now I believe in miracles but NO tow truck company could have got there that fast. The silly selfish cow drove her car off! When the police catch up with her again, and they will, she's going to jail. Call the police and do the right thing for someone else.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 09:17

I think that you have misunderstood actually. It is likely that the there are just delays in the DVLA checking with his GP, consultant etc but unless his license has been revoked he will still be able to drive. My license "expired" one year because of DVLA delays in renewing it (they took about four months) but I was still able to drive while they were processing everything.

I feel sorry for him if he has been sacked because of this. Shame that people don't keep their noses out of things without checking their facts first.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/695575/inf188x6-can-i-drive-while-my-application-is-with-dvla.pdf

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 09:21

If the OP’s co-worker has a temporary liscence that expired mid July then this would indicate that the DVLA are aware of his condition otherwise why would he have a time limit on his licence?

I'm glad that someone else realises this! No wonder the poor man kept quite about his epilepsy!

hiddeneverything · 18/08/2018 09:31

OP have you reported him yet? Phone the police any and every time you see him driving. If he's been drinking too it's 999. If he's caught and keeps doing it he will eventually go to jail xx

iwunderwhy · 18/08/2018 09:40

Dungeondragon15 no-one has a problem with his medical condition its pretty clear we all understand any of us could suffer illness at anyttime. The problem is his driving w/o licence and therefore insurance, and his drinking & driving which puts other's at serious risk. Condition or no condition he needs to be law abiding just like everyone else. That's it.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 09:49

iwunderwhy Did you actually read my and SauvignonBlanche post?! The DVLA are clearly aware of his medical condition or he wouldn't have a license that expired in the first place. Under section 88 he is allowed to drive while they are processing the application if he meets the criteria to continue to drive (i.e. if he has not had a seizure since the previous license renewel and there have been no other changes).
He will be insured (if he meets section 88 criteria) and there is no evidence that he is not law abiding. The evidence is just the fact that the majority of posters on here including you don't know what they are talking about.

meadowmeow · 18/08/2018 09:50

feel sorry for him if he has been sacked because of this. Shame that people don't keep their noses out of things without checking their facts first.

Speaking of checking facts first..........

Boss hasn't fired him as he is leaving anyway in two weeks.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 09:54

Boss hasn't fired him as he is leaving anyway in two weeks.

That could just mean that the boss has decided not to renew his contract though. While not officially being fired it is pretty much the same thing.

iwunderwhy · 18/08/2018 10:07

...and the drinking and driving Dungeondragon 15? Guess you're keeping your nose out of that. Or does he have a licence for that too?!

Birdsgottafly · 18/08/2018 10:11

You should have reported the Drink Driving, long ago. So should have others, or the pub were he is drinking.

The medical thing, as said, may not mean that he cannot drive. But your Employer should have found the answer to that and is breaking the law by not doing that. It's a stupid risk because an Employer can get personally sued and criminally charged.

If he is found to have alcohol in his system at the time of an accident, his insurance will try to get out of paying out and they may succeed.

Brambleboo · 18/08/2018 10:13

Please, please report this person.

For disability reasons, my licence was taken from me until I could learn and pass a test in an adapted car. I didn't dare drive in the meantime! I really don't understand how people can put at risk their own lives and those of others.

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 10:13

...and the drinking and driving Dungeondragon 15? Guess you're keeping your nose out of that. Or does he have a licence for that too?!

That is a separate issue and obviously if OP is with the person at a bar and they drive after drinking two or three pints then she should report. I'm not sure that the police would be interested if it is just something she has heard though as there is no evidence. What do you think they would do?

Dungeondragon15 · 18/08/2018 10:17

Brambleboo It sounds like your license was revoked which is a different thing. If the DVLA had previously decided that the person could drive then he does not have to stop while the license is being renewed each year if he meets the criteria under section 88.

ginghamstarfish · 18/08/2018 10:17

It's you duty to report this man, as he is an accident waiting to happen. Also sounds like an idiot.

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