To think this shouldn't be allowed?

[SneakyGremlins]

Bloke in town with a microphone, yelling about how Jesus is the only way to heaven. Gays are sinners, other religions are sinners, we must repent blah blah blah.

Bad enough, but then he starts making eye contact with the only hijab wearing woman around and loudly proclaims that Only Christians Can Go To Heaven And All Other Religions Lead To Eternal Damnation - presumably as she's an easy target.

AIBU to think that's not right and that he shouldn't be allowed to wander around town yelling shit like that?

I know there is something in the bible that says 'man shall not lie with man blah blah,'

It's in Leviticus, where it is described as being 'an abomination', along with eating shellfish, wearing clothes made of mixed fibres, and plating more than one crop together.
It's my personal experience that atheists nearly always seem to know more about religion than those who profess to practice it.

Planting, not plating. I don't know how you'd plate a crop. How fiddly.

Maybe like plate spinners? Plates spinning on rhubarb stalks?

You do realise that nearly all muslims believe in hell and that all non-muslims are going there?

Muslims are charged to protect "people of the book" with their lives.

Have you read the Koran?

That question only makes sense if you have. Which you haven't.

along with eating shellfish, wearing clothes made of mixed fibres,

I speed read that as "wearing shellsuits"

Did you read the cite provided ? Clearly not.

Damage is not defined by the Act and what constitutes damage is a matter of fact and degree. The courts have construed the term liberally and included damage that is not permanent such as smearing mud on the walls of a police cell.

The damage need not be visible or tangible if it affects the value or performance of the property.

I think a temporary disconnection of a microphone would be laughed out of court. Are you always so excruciatingly literal about everything? You must be a joy to be around.

Well OP I will tell you that you are ridiculous and you should leave him be. Because you are being.

What you have put in your post is a pretty standard belief of many followers of the three monotheistic religions, particularly Islam. It is good that we live in a society where people are allowed to speak their truth, however much you dislke it, and try to convince others to follow their truth. Whether that truth be religious, political, environmental, feminist, trans activism, animal rights, or anything else you mention.

Your desire to silence those whose views you dislike is far more dangerous than his expression of his beliefs.

*Have you read the Koran?

That question only makes sense if you have. Which you haven't.*

Yes I have read it. From cover to cover. In three different translations, one by an academic and two by believers.

If you re-read my post, I wasn't referring to what the Koran says about how muslims must treat people of the book, but how Allah will treat non-believers in the afterlife. I also double checked my understanding with a muslim speaker at an event at a local mosque and he confirmed it.

exexpat Thanks for the link.

Here we have individual rights - free speech which includes the right to be offensive. A private institution could expel/fire you - but it is not illegal and to get jail time is ridiculous, scary and oppressive.

So people have to pretend to fit in, to be okay with something or face arrest and jail. That is an awful way to live. In the U.S. people who feel as if they have been offended have the right to offend right back or educate the person as to why they believe they are wrong.

In the U.S. people who feel as if they have been offended have the right to offend right back or educate the person as to why they believe they are wrong.

Correct. The cure for noxious speech is more speech. Two Quotes from Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis:

Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burnt women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.

Those who won our independence by revolution were not cowards. They did not fear political change. They did not exalt order at the cost of liberty. To courageous, self-reliant men, with confidence in the power of free and fearless reasoning applied through the processes of popular government, no danger flowing from speech can be deemed clear and present, unless the incidence of the evil apprehended is so imminent that it may befall before there is opportunity for full discussion. If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence.

amandu do they get reported?

Maybe they are aware but intelligence comes from watching them.
It's just hate preachers have strong links to the terror attacks on our streets killing hundreds.

I discovered if religious people harass you ,just tell the you're a Satanist , mind you I probably look like one ! I'm six foot bloke with long hair and a beard and usually in black clothes and leather jacket ! Lol! They usually shy away , I 've even had a few make a very quick exit in sheer horror !

They usually shy away , I 've even had a few make a very quick exit in sheer horror !

Sigh... I wish. It's like they have a target demographic or something. Which I happen to belong to...

But I - unlike you - am short, female, have no beard and probably don't look like a stereotypical Satanist... But I may claim that I am one the next time I meet one. (Which will most likely be rather soon...)

the next time I meet one.

One being someone trying to convert me. Not a Satanist. I've never met a Satanist who was trying to convert people...

I'm not a Satanist either ,atheist here.
Funniest one was a Jehovah's witness stopped me once ,was wearing my Slayer ,hell awaits t-shirt under my jacket , she couldn't get away fast enough ,fell over her own feet, I did feel for her and offered to help her up but she backed away in horror!

Poor woman! The JW don't actively proselytise where we live. They just stand around with their placards/leaflets etc.

This reminds me of that secret service film, in the church before they slaughter each other?
"I'm a Catholic whore, currently enjoying congress out of wedlock with my black Jewish boyfriend who works at a military abortion clinic. So, hail Satan, and have a lovely afternoon, madam."

It isn't offensive. It's a basic tenet of Christianity. The bible's very clear about it, as are other religions.

@apriljune12

Why do you antagonise and act like such an arse?

Do you think they care you "enjoy cocktails" or that your daughter has a bare midriff?

No such thing as "freedom of speech" in the UK. I think you're confusing UK law with the US Constitution.

In the UK you can do what you like unless there is a law against it.

That said, he could be committing a public order offence, and he could be inciting hatred.

It isn't offensive. It's a basic tenet of Christianity. The bible's very clear about it, as are other religions.

That doesn't mean it isn't offensive...

@MeyMary

If you think it's offensive to think non-believers of 'your' religion go to hell then you're demonstrating just how thin-skinned people have become and how low the bar has been set for what should now not be allowed to be said.

You find the 10 Commandments offensive.

Jesus [irony intended] wept!

the hell is unplugging something 'criminal damage'? Get a grip

Did you read the cite provided ? Clearly not.

@DGRossetti, you might need to point out where the explanation that unplugging is 'damage'. Cutting the plug off would criminal damage, simply unplugging wouldn't.

It isn't offensive. It's a basic tenet of Christianity. The bible's very clear about it, as are other religions.

Are you saying that "basic" tenets of Christianity (or other religions) can't be offensive? That the bible being clear about something somehow negatives possible offensiveness...?

Jesus [irony intended] wept!
Are you a Christian? :)

drastsrd

So you think my dds wearing crop tops and drinking cocteils is acting like an arse

Fuck off with your sick mysogynistic attitude.

Women will continue to enjoy their freedom in this country do you can fuck off with your religious nonsense.

If you want to be controlled by the patriarchy and religion well more fool you.

Btw:
That the bible being clear about something somehow negatives negates any possible offensiveness...?

@DGRossetti, you might need to point out where the explanation that unplugging is 'damage'. Cutting the plug off would criminal damage, simply unplugging wouldn't.

"The damage need not be visible or tangible if it affects the value or performance of the property."

Unplugging a lead affects the performance. Ergo: criminal damage.

There's an assumption that "criminal damage" must be over a certain value ... but we know what assume really means ....

Obligatory story to illustrate a point. (My point was supposed to be along the lines of two wrongs not making a right)

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483669/The-5-000-case-boy-caused-criminal-damage-1p-carrier-bag.html