AIBU Why do English people curtsy to the royal family?

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I need to stop reading the Daily Mail, but there was an article there about how “low” you should curtsy to your betters.

...there was a photo of Theresa May curtsying to Prince William, of all people. I found it absolutely repulsive.

Think what you will of her, but should she be bowing and scraping in front of a 30-something dude that hasn’t done much with his life? She’s the PM fer chrissakes!!!

venevidi
If you trust Quora over the title deeds of the Duke of Westminster you really need to read more UK law

Freehold is just that
however in the UK unlike the US, the Crown (not the queen) holds the mineral rights under land
but since the UK joined the EU and it will vanish once we leave there is a requirement to compensate the surface owner

Ta1

Fair enough. I may be wrong. Please post a link proving your point.

OK she owns all the swans then.

Venividi
I own a house.
I have the deeds.
The Queen is not my landlord.
There are not links confirming such because Freehold was set up in the UK long before the internet.

neshoma
No, she owns some of the swans - check your sources

Ta1

I ask again.

Please post a link proving your point.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freehold_(law)

venividi
From your own link en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Property_Act_1925
when the freehold law was codified and the UK formed a proper land registry.
The Queen is not my landlord.

ta1

I've read the link you provided and see nothing to suggest that my interpretation that the crown owns all land is incorrect.

Please provide a link that backs up your opinion.

My understanding is that the Monarch has a "superior interest" in all UK land. This doesn't mean much unless a freehold property ends up without an owner in which case it reverts to the Crown by default.

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No, the Queen is not your landlord. But if you died and there was no one to inherit your estate, it would by default revert back to the crown because she has the ultimate claim on everything.

Banana

Link please.

Just looked it up, it's called "escheat".

"Under our legal system, the Monarch (currently Queen Elizabeth II), as head of state, owns the superior interest in all land in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. In most cases, this is usually irrelevant but it can become relevant if a freehold property becomes ownerless. If this happens, freehold land may, in some circumstances, fall to the monarch as the owner of the superior interest. This process is called 'escheat'."

www.thecrownestate.co.uk/en-gb/resources/faqs/

From the Crown Estate website.

I think what this means is that, with no one else able to lay a claim legally, any ownerless land automatically becomes the property of the state/the Crown. Therefore, the Queen, as Monarch, does have the ultimate claim on everything.

This is what I said upthread.

Just check . Google. Not difficult.

So the Royals are responsible for Austerity
that is quite a leap
IMHO (having met various of them over the last 50 years) they are just people, many of whom would be MUCH happier with the Netherlands deal but the government loves the external focus so they play along

I don't know about that. I presume a Netherlands deal would mean cutting down on extortionate travel expenses for example, which I see little appetite for.

If they hate it so much and they want to step down, they're free to. If they want to save the tax payer money and live less extravagantly, that would be welcomed. I don't see any evidence they want a change from the status qui.

Well I curtseyed to Ken Dodd when he offered me a tickling stick (literally, at a show) and I'm not sorry, no not one bit.

Fucks sake, Veni. I came on to agree with you

banana

Please accept my apologies.

I didn't read your posts as supportive of mine.

My fault.

Ha! That's OK

Erm out of respect

1. Prince William does so much and works and will work every day of his life.
2. Yes they have money and own things but the British people own them.
3. Yes they sit in a palace while people live off food banks - because we live in a democracy and voted the twatty government in.
4. The royal family (as in queenie, Phillip, Charles, William and Harry) have incredibly stressful lives and work so hard I don’t envy them one bit.

Strictly speaking her Majesty owns all of the land in the UK.

Utter nonsense.

Well, it's not actually "utter nonsense" is it?!

When you own something you have possession of it & in terms of land, you only possess it by acquiring the right to. You no longer have the right to possession once you're dead & if nobody can be found who has a legal claim, then the Queen/Monarch/State has the right to possession.

And that Quora answer that Veni linked to has a link of it's own...to a paper written by parliament that expressly says...

"The Crown is the ultimate owner of all land in England and Wales (including the Isles of Scilly): all other owners hold an estate in land. Although there is some land that the Crown has never granted away, most land is held of the Crown as freehold or leasehold. If there is no other owner, land will belong to the Crown, the Duchy of Lancaster or the Duchy of Cornwall"

publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmhansrd/cm090211/text/90211w0027.htm#090211100000119

The "Crown" is the state, embodied by the Queen. And the state is, basically, all of us. She's just our representative.

So, it's also true to say that we all collectively own all of the UK but grant rights of ownership to each other which can be taken back under certain circumstances.

That's how it all reads to me, anyway. But it's complicated and I may be misunderstanding.

It's sad.

But then England is a country stuck in the past, and longing to go back to the past as Brexit proved.

The best approach is to leave them to it, and look to a world which will no doubt survive and prosper without them.

Bloody hell hadenough we’re divorcing the eu not dying