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To remind you, especially in the holidays, about b******* ticks?!

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BstrdTicks · 09/08/2018 14:05

We're on holiday in North Yorkshire with the DCs. On a family walk in a rural coastal area, one DC, a mid-teen, was a little way ahead. As the rest of us rounded a corner on the path, we spotted them coming through some long grass and wildflowers and rejoining the path. Needless to say they'd been for a wee behind a gorse bush!

After walking on a little while, I suddenly remembered about ticks, and we all stopped to check the DC over and brush them down. At this point, there was no sign of any ticks. We did the same on returning to the car, and again on returning to the holiday cottage. Still no sign of any ticks.

It wasn't until bedtime that the DC found 3 of the little b* attached!!!

Out in the middle of nowhere at night, we had to get them off with ordinary tweezers, which isn't ideal. Luckily it seemed to go ok, perhaps because we'd found them reasonably quickly. We washed the area with soap and water, and applied antiseptic. We usually carry a tick removing tool but it had been lost on our last trip and not replaced.

Not all ticks are infected but we now have an anxious wait to see if the DC develops any symptoms which could indicate Lyme Disease, at which point it would mean tests and extensive antibiotics. It can take a few days, a month or even longer to show up. This can sometimes be a target-style rash around the bites, flu-like symptoms of headache, fever, joint pain or fatigue, or specific joint or nerve problems.

We're all kicking ourselves, including the DC, as we know ticks are a risk. We usually avoid going off paths into long undergrowth especially. It's the first time one of us has been 'got', despite living rurally and lots of time spent outdoors. In the scorching weather, we'd got shorts on rather than trousers tucked into boot socks or wellies.

Do educate yourself and your DCs. Pets also need to be checked regularly. Ticks can be hard to spot, often just the size of a poppy seed, until they have engorged themselves. Don't look at images of that if you're squeamish! There's good advice on the NHS, NICE and Lyme Disease Action websites. Tick removing tools are available for less than £5 in camping shops and online, and are easy to carry in a rucksack or bag. There's even a credit card style one for purse or wallet. Fine point tweezers or a piece of cotton can also be used.

Ticks are pretty widespread but especially so in some areas.

Be careful out there.

And all fingers crossed for our DC very welcome!

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BstrdTicks · 10/08/2018 18:43

Thanks Jam. I can't post links at the moment, so that's helpful.

Can anyone post links to the lymediseaseaction.org.uk and lymediseaseuk.com websites please? They're a mine of good quality information and also mention the limitations of the most recent NICE guidelines.

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BstrdTicks · 10/08/2018 18:47

You're welcome, Captain. Spread the word!

A reminder too for everyone that ticks are present in many gardens, parks and woods in towns and cities, not just the countryside.

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BstrdTicks · 10/08/2018 20:55

Bumping for the evening crowd.

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Wemadeit · 10/08/2018 21:02

How do you know if you have been bitten by a tick or another insect? I have had three big bites and one of them had a big red rash and swelled up (not bullseye shape.) Pharmacist said it wasn’t a horsefly but didn’t mention lymes.

Busybusybust · 10/08/2018 21:13

My puppy had 2 on his head during winter. And then he must have stepped on a nest as he had 9 or 10 between his toes. So now he wears a flea/tick collar all the time.

BstrdTicks · 10/08/2018 23:32

It's unlikely you'd know for sure if a tick bit you, Wemadeit, unless you actually saw it on you or attached to you. A knowledgeable doctor might be able to recognise the rash, and it would be a matter of a specialist test if the rash indicated a tick bite, or if you developed symptoms indicating an infection such as Lyme Disease. Have a look at the websites mentioned upthread.

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BstrdTicks · 11/08/2018 09:31

Bumping for the weekend morning crowd.

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BstrdTicks · 11/08/2018 15:11

There is some good information on the gov.uk Public Health England web pages.

You can even send them your removed tick, dead or alive, in an airtight container for identification and research purposes!!!

Shock
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AlexanderHamilton · 11/08/2018 19:14

Well that was quick. Dh got a letter this morning inviting him to log onto the system to get an appointment at infectious diseases. He needs to wait until Monday though to get the password from his drs.

He’s convinced he’s got something like Menieres though. I’m not.

BstrdTicks · 11/08/2018 19:59

Yes, very quick. I get the distinct impression that you'll do the research, Alex, but from my reading a negative test doesn't seem to be conclusive unfortunately. If that happens, it might still in be worth looking into the antibiotics treatment, as some people seem to improve after that, or more than one course. All the best.

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AlexanderHamilton · 11/08/2018 20:01

I wish they’d just given him antibiotics yesterday to be honest. Although dh did take lots of antibiotics about 10 years ago before he had his tonsils out he hasn’t had any since then so it couldn’t have hurt.

We are due to go away for a few days next week & it would have been good to have started a course to see if there is any improvement.

Breadsticksandhummus · 11/08/2018 20:02

This is a terrible thread for someone with health anxiety to read.

That is all.

AlexanderHamilton · 11/08/2018 20:05

I disagree. I’d never heard of it until a couple of months ago when someone on the 2018 GCSE thread suggested I consider it.

People who are bitten by a tick should be aware of what to look out for. The drs have been scanning my dh for strokes, brain tumours & cancer but not one has considered Lyme Disease until dh asked about it.

BstrdTicks · 11/08/2018 20:07

Alex, I think I read it's best to have the tests before starting antibiotics as they might impact on the results, unless there's an emergency need to start them.

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Breadsticksandhummus · 11/08/2018 20:15

But I thought the tests were notoriously unreliable?

The whole thing is ridiculously unclear tbh. Most of my family including my 2yo were bitten to death by ticks in Devon around the 20th June. Since then I've obviously been a bit Confused if any of us get a bit of a sniffle or under the weather. But given symptoms can take up to 3 months to appear, if I get symptoms of a virus in September (quite likely with a toddler about), am I really going to go to the gp and say "I was bitten by a tick 3 months ago, give me antibiotics for lyme disease".

I'm not being antagonistic, but realistically the probability in that situation is that is IS just a virus and therefore antibiotics are going to do more harm than good, aren't they? So then what I should do is wait until my symptoms get worse, right, but then all lyme disease resources say early treatment is critical.

What I'm trying to say, not very articulately, is that none of this is straightforward nor clear at all, and therefore I'm not surprised so many are panicking about it. I totally am. If I get any flu like symptoms over the next couple of months I'll be freaking the fuck out. Even the Nice guidelines aren't very clear.

Like last night I felt a bit under the weather. So should I go to the gp? I really have no idea.

Hasthemarketsplit · 11/08/2018 20:37

Possibly a silly question, but if Dogs can have preventative treatment, why can't humans?

I walk every day in areas infested by ticks and dread picking one up and not realising it. I check obvious areas but cannot check my own scalp or back.

Last week one of my friends discovered one in the fold under her breast. She had been covered up the previous two day and has no idea how it got there.

AlexanderHamilton · 11/08/2018 20:51

Breadsticks - yes I read the tests were unreliable too.

But if having been bitten by a tick (either during May Day holiday or half term you then developed symptoms so serious you were blue lighted to hospital twice, forbidden to drive & were being investigated for strokes, tumours & brain cancer when these things were eliminated as a possibility do you not think Lyme should be considered.

Breadsticksandhummus · 11/08/2018 20:53

But if having been bitten by a tick (either during May Day holiday or half term you then developed symptoms so serious you were blue lighted to hospital twice, forbidden to drive & were being investigated for strokes, tumours & brain cancer when these things were eliminated as a possibility do you not think Lyme should be considered.

Yes of course, I'm not sure where I implied that it shouldn't.

I merely pointed out that when "flu like symptoms" and "muscle aches" are listed, and symptoms can appear up to 3 months after the bite, you are going to get a whole lot of panicked people taking antibiotics for no good reason if there is an awareness campaign based on that.

AlexanderHamilton · 11/08/2018 20:55

Re: the flu like symptoms.

Dh describes how he felt as being hit by a bus. It’s the difference between having a heavy achy cold & proper flu. Every bone aches, throbbing head, intermittent loss of vision & very dizzy. Tired like he has never ever felt before. Confused like he can’t remember things.

He still gets some headaches but his symptoms are mostly the dizziness, brain fog & loss of hearing in one ear/tinnitus now.

BstrdTicks · 11/08/2018 21:07

I don't think I'm here to encourage panic, Bread. You keep mentioning panic. I'm here to hopefully educate, raise awareness, and share (reasonable) information. You're right though in that it's not an entirely clear situation yet. Much more good quality research is needed, definitely. But that's no reason not to raise the issue. If anything, it's a reason to raise the issue.

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Breadsticksandhummus · 11/08/2018 21:09

That wasn't what I meant op. It was more an examination of my own conundrum!

BstrdTicks · 11/08/2018 21:21

Conundrum here too Bread, so I do understand. I've been wrestling with whether to ask/ fight for antibiotics for my DC since it happened. As a mid-teen, they're of the age, and also ability, to let me know exactly how they feel, at least. At the moment they feel perfectly well. We've discussed it and I've decided to hold off on the antibiotics and unreliable tests so far. But it's not feeling entirely comfortable. 3 ticks seems to increase the risk. Like you and a PP say, how will it sit once they return to school and the typical bugs start?!

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Breadsticksandhummus · 11/08/2018 21:21

I was bitten by six of the little fuckers!!!

Toxthing · 11/08/2018 21:25

Evil little things. I hadn’t really worried about them till I came back from a recent holiday. Had received a fair few mozzie bites, but when I got home saw a ‘bullseye rash’ form. Luckily I’m a bit of a biology nerd and knew immediately what it was and got myself to the emergency GP (good ol’ NHS - called 111 and was seen and put on antibiotics within the hour). Am now on week 2 of the antibiotics, and doxycycline is pretty evil stuff - but feeling sick to my stomach for 3 weeks is a small price to pay to not get lyme disease...

BrazzleDazzleDay · 11/08/2018 23:05

After reading/commenting on this thread I've just ordered a tick remover. I can't believe we don't have one.

I can't tell you the number or times I've seen a 'spider' crawling up my leg etc and automatically flicked them off to think a minute later ah shit that wasn't a spider. I've spent many a hour crawling on the floor looking for them.

Interestingy I've always been more concerned about the cat than us