Another 'wtf' thread! This isn't ok?

[Stellenbosch]

"killing dogs to eat and consuming their meat is legal in Britain"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6030759/Campaigners-call-Theresa-ban-eating-dogs-Britain.html

Dh hasn't eaten rabbit, my family has eaten horse, my dad eats frogs. These are "pet" animals to me.

If you have an issue with animals being eaten you might want to spend 10 more minutes thinking about it and try being a vegan or vegetarian.

Breeding over generations for an animal that bonds with (loves?) us makes it seem a bit... psychopathic, to then eat it. To me, anyway.

Honestly, the killing and eating the animal when we don't need at all is psychopathic, saying it's Ok because we haven't bonded with the animal is even weirder. The cows don't think well, fuck, it. DIdn't like humans anyway, no wonder they eat us.

I read an article recently after googling 'would my dog eat me if I died'. Little fucker couldn't give a crap the other way around apparently! Ha ha.

It seems to me a cultural thing; in the UK we're not accustomed to eating cats and dogs, whereas elsewhere consuming these and other things - even human flesh - is considered quite normal

I'm always reminded of those visitors to the far east who are convinced their McDonalds burger will contain someone's pet, not realising that menus featuring dog flesh are usually restricted to pretty exclusive places - and darned expensive at that

And BTW, anyone who's ordered the 10 euros steak & frites in France has almost certainly eaten horse ... which is actually pretty tasty and IME makes a far better bolognese sauce than beef

EIther meat is OK or it isn't.

Taking this extremely simplistic argument to its logical conclusion, then you would say that if it's okay to eat a chicken it's okay to eat a human being. Both are animals, after all.

However, our minds are supposed to be capable of making distinctions—and yes, a dog is a superior being to a chicken. And not just because our culture says so.

Dogs and horses have very different aptitude’s because they’ve been bred that way. If you bred pigs for characteristics of friendly ness, trainability and small enough to live in your house they would have the same aptitude’s. And isn’t it quite common that people massively misinterpret their dogs actions as showing love and affection when thy are doing something totally different. Like staying still while someone hugs them round the neck.

Did you realise that you are edible, Op? 😋

But only with some fava beans and a nice chianti Tanith!

saying it's Ok because we haven't bonded with the animal is even weirder. The cows don't think well, fuck, it.

By all means have an opinion but that is so far away from what I wrote it's unreal.

1. I never said anything about it being wrong for me because we have bonded with the animal. I said it was something I found morally difficult because we have bred the animal to bond to us.

1. I never made any comment on thinking ability or intelligence. That is a whole different subject.

I have no problem with people eating dogs. I wouldn't do it myself as I find dogs completely, stinkingly repellant.

They do either farm inhumanely or snatch dogs off the streets and barbarically kill them using methods I won't go into, in front of the caged dogs awaiting their own fate.. I am vegetarian though respect meat eaters choices. Our society has made extensive rules and regs for the slaughter and welfare of the meat it produces.
The dog trade from what I have read has none.
It's sickening imo.

Pigs are very intelligent and can make good pets though.

It's not true to say a dog is a superior being to a pig. That's totally our culture.

Is a Guinea Pig or a hamster superior to a cow? How about a pet rat?

Also - what about other countries eating horse?

If you think we eat animals according to some objective hierarchy you really haven't spent much time thinking about this, it's nonsense.

And Peckham you mention livestock...which includes horses.

Horses are not livestock, they are companion or working animals.

Taking this extremely simplistic argument to its logical conclusion, then you would say that if it's okay to eat a chicken it's okay to eat a human being. Both are animals, after all.

Well in some cultures it actually is ok to eat humans. Not many, admittedly, but the problem with trying to insist upon moral absolutes is that there will always be examples to prove you wrong.

However, our minds are supposed to be capable of making distinctions—and yes, a dog is a superior being to a chicken. And not just because our culture says so.

This is a nonsense. There is nothing that distinguishes a dog from all other animals except your cultural conditioning leading you to see them as different.

What's so wrong with accepting that it's cultural anyway? You still have the right not to eat dogs yourself. Why don't you want to recognise that human perceptions of animals aren't innate truths, but things we have learned from the culture we grow up in?

The very best of luck in trying to persuade animals to adopt and adhere to a moral code.

Hack I obviously wasn’t suggesting that. My point was that carnivorous animals are designed to eat meat both physically and through their instincts.

We are too. We don’t have to of course as the millions of healthy vegetarians prove but we are designed to (as our nice sharp teeth demonstrate)

Which meat we eat is largely cultural and a matter of personal taste.

Peck no one is suggesting that you eat an animal who is “part of your family”. But we aren’t all socialised to think of animals in quite that way.

Personally I don’t feel any differently about dogs and pigs. I suspect one might taste nicer than the other and provide more meat but I don’t want either one in my living room.

I don't think eating cat/ dog/ horse is any way worse than eating chicken/ cow or pig.

I really don't fancy cat or dog meat though, but can't say quite why. Maybe we perceive vegetarian animals as tastier?

I'm partial to hotdogs. Does that count?

@vandrew4

Pigs are carnivore, so that's bacon out the window!

I sort of agree, though would say carrion, any animal that eats carrion we should not eat. That would mean dogs, probably cats, corvids, foxes etc.

NonaGrey: "We don’t have to of course as the millions of healthy vegetarians prove but we are designed to (as our nice sharp teeth demonstrate)".

Human beings weren't designed, though. We've evolved (like all other living creatures). We may have nice sharp teeth but I don't see many humans eating their meat raw.

Talk to people in the farming community, they regularly eat animals they've raised and named and bonded with.
My step mother is notorious for introducing you whilst mid chew "this was Gerald, he was a great little character, thought he was a dog" etc
Our abhorrence with eating dog is purely cultural. All our attitudes about meat sources are. There is nothing PER SE with eating any other creature, horses, dogs, insects even human meat (i mean, you can digest it and it will nourish you), except our own moral socialization prevents us from viewing all flesh as equal.

The best pet I ever had was a cow. She was gentle, intelligent, just lovely. We would go on long walks on our place, never with a halter either, she’d follow me anywhere. I had her for 25 yrs.

I should have said "nothing wrong per se"

I know pigs and chicken eat meat, perhaps I should have said ‘carnivores’ I don’t think I’d like to eat a carnivore. Another omnivore or vegetarian is ok.

Like a PP says it’s jusy social conditioning as to what you find ‘yuk’. I am perfectly happy with my choice to eat meat. I think it’s a natural choice for humans. So then I can’t start getting all angry about people eating dogs. I don’t like it, I think it’s sad and as I said I wouldn’t like to eat a carnivore but who am I to judge when I’d happily kill another animal for food?

I think you have to own your choices really and not preach to others about what they eat.

Cows, sheep etc are "farm animals", dogs and cats are "pets". I personally eat meat, because I haven't raised it.

We have a few pet hens (they really are) but I still eat chicken from the supermarket. We also had geese as pets growing up, and still eat/ate goose.

Sorry, I'm not picking at your post, you did say 'personally'

I sort of agree, though would say carrion

Yes that’s it! Those type of animals I find a bit more repugnant to eat.

Well yeah dogs are superior to chickens because chicken are stupid(I'm sure someone will come and try and prove me wrong-no need) .

But judging how edible something is on arbitrary "superiority" traits is not exactly ideal. Humans tend to be severely lacking in certain traits too.