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AIBU to not want to have homeless people with complex needs placed in the house next door to me?

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StressedandNameChanged · 05/08/2018 23:57

I live in a 2 storey terraced house in a small residential street in an area with lots of rows of similar small terraced houses. It’s not the smartest area of town and hasn’t had the best reputation, but it was affordable when we moved here over 15 years ago, and we have been happy here. I live with my dh, and my youngest ds 12.

The end terrace house next door to me was bought by a private investment company earlier this year, and I recently found out that this was part of an organisation which combines property investment with supported housing. Following a lot of enquiries on my part, I found out that they planned to use the house as a house share for 5 vulnerable adults with complex needs and a history of homelessness. Complex needs means at least 2 of the following issues: substance misuse; history of offending; history of anti-social behaviour; mental health problems.

Communications with the organisations who will be managing the property have been problematic. They were initially very evasive, but once I had more info, the housing manager agreed to come to a residents’ association meeting to discuss the plans for the property. It didn’t go very well. On the agenda at the same meeting were problems with an existing supported housing project in the neighbourhood, where due to staffing issues and some challenging clients, the police are being called out every night.

The housing manager later offered to come and speak with dh and myself but as we were away at the time, we said we would arrange a date when we got back. Unfortunately, while we were away a neighbour put up some very offensive signs around the property, including some in my garden and went to the local paper. (This may be the same neighbour who has also been cutting cctv cables at the property). Since we got back we have tried to get in touch but no response. There is a meeting set up with the neighbourhood policing team and others, but the housing managers are not available to attend that either.

Meanwhile I have heard from elsewhere that at least one tenant would be moving into the property in 2 weeks’ time. I think the company running the property are trying to get it as a done deal with people living there before talking to anyone.

I know people can change and this is hopefully a good opportunity for the people who will be placed next door, but I also know there is no magic wand for people who have struggled with multiple serious issues for several years, and there will be relapses. I am worried about the location and the suitability of the property for this use. Most people who have suffered high levels of trauma and are trying to move away from a chaotic lifestyle want their own place where they can control their surroundings, not a shared house. I am worried about 5 vulnerable adults being housed together in a small Victorian terraced house with poor sound proofing. Many houses around here are used for student housing and they live 5 to a house, but they are groups of friends who choose to live together, and they can usually escape to their parents’ homes for a break. I know from experience the level of disruption just one tenant in a shared house can cause if they kick off, mainly to the other tenants but also to the neighbours. I am worried about some of the visitors they will attract. I am worried about the possible high turnover of tenants. I am worried about the potential disturbance for ourselves and other neighbours. I know what the streets around other hostels are like, and I will not feel safe if my street becomes like that. I am worried about the failure of the people managing the property to communicate, which doesn’t bode well if problems do occur. I am stressed out and losing sleep worrying about it.

Yes, I know I am being the very definition of a NIMBY, but I am amazed that this sort of facility can be placed in a residential street without any consultation with neighbours, the local authorities, the police or any existing services in the area.

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StressedandNameChanged · 06/08/2018 17:07

@opinionatedfreak @bellabasset I don't think we would get much joy through the planning route. I had originally naively thought this would require a change of use application, but it's not so clear cut. The HMO licensing would apply because they have created a bedroom in the cellar. This is fairly light touch regulation. They have to have the necessary fire and gas safety certificates and ensure the landlord is not a crook. It may give some redress if the property does turn out to be badly managed.

Some of the people who are most concerned are people who work in this sector and live locally. That is of course partly because they would prefer to keep home and work separate, e.g. like teachers often choose to live in a different area to their pupils. That said, when I spoke to the project manager and asked how she would feel about her clients living next door to her, her response was: 'I work with these people'.

I am not planning on moving any time soon, but I would be really pissed off if I was made to feel I had to. The way I am feeling at the moment about d**khead neighbour is that I would be very happy if he moved out (though the rest of his family are lovely).

At least I know now that if I did decide to move, there are more people than I thought who would be happy to live next to a supported housing facility. Grin

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scarbados · 06/08/2018 17:12

@hiphopchick

Let's hope you and her have equally tolerant neighbours should you ever have mental health problems.

hiphopchick · 06/08/2018 17:15

@scarbados

Just stop. Hmm

hiphopchick · 06/08/2018 17:16

As I said, the virtue signalling on here (from a few posters) is incredibly nauseating.

Stirner · 06/08/2018 17:19

@hiphopchick - agreed and the majority of people virtue signaling live in the nice leafy areas that never get problem tenants dumped on them.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 17:20

I work hard, (and always have worked hard,) and I pay all my own bills, and my own mortgage; so I have a right to say what I would not want to live next to.

Actually you don’t. If the people who live next door to you do not cause a nuisance anyone can live next to you. It doesn’t matter that you pay pay taxes and bills. That doesn’t give you (or any of us who pay taxes and bills) any more rights than anyone else.

hiphopchick · 06/08/2018 17:21

@Stirner. Exactly!

This nasty and pedantic 'I hope this happens to you one day' from a few posters, is making them look like virtue signalling, arrogant arses tbh.

Anyone and everyone has a right to voice their opinions on a place like this, and say they don't want it in their street.

And if a day ever DID come where I needed this kind of place, I would understand people not wanting a place like this near to them. And they would have a right to complain if they are not comfortable with it.

No matter what the virtue-signallers are saying. Hmm

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 17:23

Problem tenants is an entirely different thing than supported housing. I’d quite happily agree that I wouldn’t want problem tenants next door to me. But that’s not what we’re talking about.

hiphopchick · 06/08/2018 17:23

Nice try @devilishpyjamas but it doesn't change the fact that I have a right to complain, and to not want to live next to a place like this.

You don't get to tell me what I think, and what I can say.

hiphopchick · 06/08/2018 17:26

BULLY FOR YOU, if you are OK living next to places like this.

Not everyone is.

And you have no right to tell anyone they are wrong for the way they feel.

BlancheM · 06/08/2018 17:28

I know what you mean as we now have one next door. The tenants are in and out of jail, alcoholics and drug users. I could weep for how chaotic and sad their lives are. And they have to live somewhere. That being said, my children are now frightened and we're constantly disturbed by arguments, police coming and going ect. If I didn't love my house nor have invested time and money on it, we would move tomorrow. We haven't used the garden this year as the residents next door spend all their time in theirs and I don't want my children any more exposed to the shouting and language than they already are.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 17:30

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LuluJakey1 · 06/08/2018 17:46

Further up our road in a cul de sac is a house which provides shared assisted living for adults with learning disabilities. Thete is always a worker supporting site.All of the residents are in their 30s-60s I would say and they are great, really part of the community, included in everything, no trouble. Occasionally one of them will be upset in the street but they are always helped. Everyone speaks to them, they play bowls at the local club in the park.
It is very different from living next door to vulnerable adults who are battling alcohol, drug issues and mental health. They are much more likely to be involved in dangerous, anti-social or self-destructive behaviours. The reason they are in such an establishment is because they are struggling with life. It is really sad but having lived next door (as described yesterday) to someone who was not at this stage - had come out of prison and was, with social services input and presumably the probation service as he had come out of prison, in rented property back with his wife and two children and the support of his PIL and BIL - it was a nightmare. The thought of a number of vulnerable adults like that next door would worry me sick.
Once they are there it will be very difficult to do anything about. That was our experience. It was just the fact that he was in so much trouble that made them up sticks and leave- and then come back and burgle us.

oldsockeater · 06/08/2018 17:46

YANBU. It would not bother me if it was the other end of the street, but right next door with a party wall - no.

Where I live there are lots of these type places and although many of the people there are harmless and some are friendly, I definitely wouldn't want them as my next door neighbours. Lots of rubbish and noise, plus lots of coming and going, occasionally one of them dies through drug overdose, men sitting around outside at all hours drinking cider.

Obviously these people have to live somewhere, but there must be properties with a bit more space around them, or next to non-residential buildings.

StressedandNameChanged · 06/08/2018 17:47

Supported housing does not prevent problem tenants.

As I mentioned earlier we have already have a supported housing project very nearby (less than 100m away) which has the police out every night, actually sometimes several times in one night, and as well as failing to keep its tenants safe is causing a lot of problems for the neighbours.

I have to have faith that the one next door to me will be better managed than that, but it is difficult to have this faith when the manager has reneged on his offer to meet with me and dh, and is no longer communicating with us. Yes, d**khead neighbour's stunts will probably have a bearing on that, but I had no involvement with that and have made that clear.

I am finding this uncertainty stressful, and my response to that uncertainty and stress is to try and get more information. It has been helpful to get the views of people who have worked in similar set ups or lived next to them, so thank you to everyone who has contributed. It is however clear from what you have said that they can vary widely depending on the management amongst other factors.

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ADastardlyThing · 06/08/2018 17:54

I'd fucking hate this and would find it incredibly stressful and would probably want to move tbh. No answers op but I'm sorry you're having to face this :(

LakieLady · 06/08/2018 17:55

Telling that a number of HC professional have all said they wouldn't want to live next door to their patients.

Most of my colleagues won't live in the borough/district/area they work in. It's more the lack of privacy than anything else. I won't work with clients who live in the part of town I live in, because I don't want to keep bumping into them in the corner shop. I don't mind seeing them in the supermarket in town though.

Devilishpyjamas · 06/08/2018 17:58

It will depend a lot on the management. I suspect your neighbour’s antics unfortunately means they feel it is safer not to talk to anyone - maybe once they are in there that will change.

I would request a phone number to call in case of problems. I would also ask whether there is an external agency involved who could be called if there are issues. They will be GDPR restrictions on giving info if it can be related to one person by there may be a general department that can be called.

Do you know whether it’s going to be all one sex or mixed?

LakieLady · 06/08/2018 18:00

BULLY FOR YOU, if you are OK living next to places like this.

No-one, including the OP, knows what this place is going to be like yet. The residents haven't moved in. People are anticipating problems where there may not be any.

It's prejudice against people who are, themselves, vulnerable.

What with this thread, and the traveller thread, I'm starting to wonder if the DM site is down and the DM readers are coming on here to comment instead.

BifsWif · 06/08/2018 18:02

I work for a charity that supports vulnerable people with complex needs - you’re not in the Midlands are you?

They are likely to get one visit a week. I would say it is almost certain that you will get some anti social behaviour, if not with these five then then with the next person/persons who follow on. It will always be supported housing, and not everyone will be successful at living in shared accommodation and moving on.

Mental health support is shockingly shit, so don’t expect a lot there either. If they’re over 18 substance misuse workers won’t usually come or, they will have to take themselves off to appointments.

Everyone will say YABU but I see the reality day in, day out and I wouldn’t want to live next door either to be honest.

StressedandNameChanged · 06/08/2018 18:02

@BlancheM that is one of my fears. I love this area despite its faults. It has a great community and we have many friends here, and it is close to ds' school. I love my home, but it is important that it is somewhere I can feel safe. Just as it is important for anyone moving in next door that they are able to feel safe.

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BifsWif · 06/08/2018 18:04

come out*

Sorry for the typo’s!

Gorrillagirlfanclub · 06/08/2018 18:06

I've worked with various people with complex needs. Some people just want to get on and try to sort their lives out and some cause loads of trouble.

You could end up next to neighbours who cause trouble without a support officer or the company who owns the house to go to. So at least you have them available to address issues.

However I would be concerned about their evasiveness and lack of communication. I'd want details of their level of support and risk assessment for residents. (obviously anonymous). For example are they going to have staff on site all the time or like an hour a day.

I think your concern. I don't think this makes you an awful person. If you were just completely unwilling to think about this issue then that would be unreasonable.

BifsWif · 06/08/2018 18:10

Also, it is well known that funding is being slashed left, right and centre.

In my service, in order to keep funding we are targeted on the number people who move from the closed unit to shared housing out in the community. We have to have ten per quarter, so on paper it looks like ten success stories and funding keeps coming. In reality, less than half of those are ready to go in to shared housing.

I’m not trying to frighten you, I love my job and there are plenty of people who do just fine I shared and cause no problems but it’s very unlikely that this will not impact on you in some way.

LakieLady · 06/08/2018 18:12

I pay all my own bills, and my own mortgage; so I have a right to say what I would not want to live next to.

And you have the right to move if premises near you get a change of use into something you don't want to live next to. The people who need supported accommodation don't have that option, they have to go where the accommodation is, and it's just bad luck if that happens to be in a street full of judgmental people totally lacking in empathy.

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