To serve these foods to muslim friends

[MissMildred]

Hi - posting here for traffic but also because I don't want to BU. I invited some new school friends and their parents for a bbq in a couple of weeks and two of the families are muslim and mentioned they only eat halal.
I want to make an effort to make them feel comfortable, and it has also been very interesting learning all about what is halal or haram. Obviously no pork will be served. However, some of the guidance on the internet is not clear, so I wondered if anyone with this diet could help me with these items and whether it would BU to serve them up:

Vinegar - if I served this in eg. a coleslaw, are all types of vinegar fine? (Eg is the vinegar not seen as alcohol anymore?)
Butter - Am I overthinking this? Would you eat butter?
Alcohol - I know you wouldn't drink this, but is it acceptable for others in the group to be drinking a glass of wine?
Halloumi - I can't figure out if this is okay or not.

Also - any tips you might have would be great, especially if there are brands of crisps, bread, butter etc....you might use.

Thank you!

There is NO reason for them not to eat NON halal meat apart from "cos Islam". It is IDENTICAL.

You're right, yes, but they have a reason, a religious one. Is it just Islam you disagree with? How would you stand on grace being said over your Sunday dinner?

My personal beliefs are no less valid. What do you not get about that
I do get that, they're not less valid. Nobody's making you eat it though.

I want someone to say whether they would eat bread blessed before baking by dp’s grandma, or a Sunday lunch after grace has been said.

I would put good money on nobody in the “won’t eat halal’ faction coming within a million miles of that question.

I think more of us will be giving thanks for our food if Brexit goes ahead. (There will be less of it.)

Anyone who refuses to eat Halal meat is an Islamophobe, simple as that.

I'll try again
New Zealand lamb is all 'halal' because of the Middle East market. I couldn't care less if the prayer tapes were played when the animal was slaughtered. I would care if it was ritually slaughtered though.
www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter

Anyone who refuses to eat Halal meat is an Islamophobe and a bit daft. You only have to read the lists of major chains who use 'halal' meat.

Is it just Islam you disagree with?

I know that wasn't aimed at me but can I answer.

Is it just Islam you disagree with?
No, it's all religion. If anyone can name one that's not misogynist I might rethink.

BTW. I eat halal meat and (would, if I ever encountered it) food that had been blessed.

There is NO reason for them not to eat NON halal meat apart from "cos Islam". It is IDENTICAL.

Yes but religion is treated as some sort of trump card than ends all discussion, reason does not apply.

If you insisted on Christian prayers being read over slaughtered animals in Saudi Arabia and local Muslims objected, would that make them equally bigoted?

Please note, I don’t eat much meat at all and do not practise any religion.

Sorry meant to type Dubai not Saudi.

If you insisted on Christian prayers being read over slaughtered animals in Saudi Arabia and local Muslims objected, would that make them equally bigoted?

Yes. Because there would be no good reason for them to object given that it didn’t affect them in any way and they weren’t being forced to eat it.

Bertrand I’m willing to bet the same, because rainbows has been asking for pages now, and no response.

How hypocritical that some
People are attacking people who DONT want to eat halal because they feel it’s not supporting other beliefs.

Not at all.

Because if we are to use religion as an analogy for the anti halal people on here (not all I know) it would be the equivalent of Muslims demanding that non halal meat not be served and morally objecting to it. If they did I’d tell them to pipe down, because in the same way, it wouldn’t affect them personally and they’d be under no pressure to eat it.

It’s KFC gone mad if you ask me.

Yes. Because there would be no good reason for them to object given that it didn’t affect them in any way and they weren’t being forced to eat it

Exactly.

I'd answer questions if I thought for one second they were genuine as opposed to gleeful "gotchas".

With a Tory government, no viable opposition, UKIP, Brexit I hope we learn to be less smug and attempt to understand other views rather than attack before things get any worse.

“I'd answer questions if I thought for one second they were genuine as opposed to gleeful "gotchas".”

My question is perfectly genuine. If you won’t eat humanely slaughtered halal meat, will you eat a Sunday lunch that has had grace said over it? It’s not a difficult question.

Oh FFS, even a thread about halal food gets turned into yet another Brexit froth

Bertrand - same, I meant it as a perfectly genuine question too.

I do get that, they're not less valid. Nobody's making you eat it though.

And no one is making the muslims eat the non halal meat. This is the point you are totally disregarding!!! How am I meant to know to refuse to eat it if I am not informed by the host it is halal!?

TWO UTTERLY IDENTICAL SITUATIONS:

1. Muslims do not wish to eat non halal meat. Totally reasonable they are informed that the hoset is serving halal meat specifically for them.

2..Non muslims do not wish to eat halal mea ludicrpus and apparently insanely racist that host should dare inform them, or that guest should question, whether they are being served halal meat.

You double standards are effing moronic.

Savvysaver - would you eat a Sunday dinner that had grace said over it?

The comments I've read don't demand that halal meat not be served - just that it be identified, in order that they can choose not to eat it. In the context I think of major chains rather than the OP.

I personally don't agree that the animal welfare differences are sufficient to justify this - but it is a point of view that can be based in such concerns.

I'd leave the pitchfork and the rope in the shed. Might need them for real one day!

Rainbowandsmiles... never said in wasn't Christian did I. I just said I was NOT muslim.

never said in wasn't Christian did I. I just said I was NOT muslim

HOUSE

Savvy- would you eat a Sunday lunch that had had grace said over it?

Rainbowandsmiles... never said in wasn't Christian did I. I just said I was NOT muslim*

So if you're Christian, presumably you say prayers over your meat too. Which makes you just the same.

No I don't say any sort of prayer over any sort of meat. If someone asked me what relugion I was I would probably say I am not religious - though i was chirstened.

The overriding answer though is I am NOT muslim and I do not want Islam in anyway infiltrating my personal life just, no doubt, as muslims would not want christian rituals infiltrating their life (or any other religion whatever it may be)!! Do you think many muslims would be OK with me focrcing them to hang a cross round thier neck!?