To serve these foods to muslim friends

[MissMildred]

Hi - posting here for traffic but also because I don't want to BU. I invited some new school friends and their parents for a bbq in a couple of weeks and two of the families are muslim and mentioned they only eat halal.
I want to make an effort to make them feel comfortable, and it has also been very interesting learning all about what is halal or haram. Obviously no pork will be served. However, some of the guidance on the internet is not clear, so I wondered if anyone with this diet could help me with these items and whether it would BU to serve them up:

Vinegar - if I served this in eg. a coleslaw, are all types of vinegar fine? (Eg is the vinegar not seen as alcohol anymore?)
Butter - Am I overthinking this? Would you eat butter?
Alcohol - I know you wouldn't drink this, but is it acceptable for others in the group to be drinking a glass of wine?
Halloumi - I can't figure out if this is okay or not.

Also - any tips you might have would be great, especially if there are brands of crisps, bread, butter etc....you might use.

Thank you!

Why are you so intolerant to people who want nothing to do with religion?

I'm not. I want nothing to do with the religion either. I also know that it's not all about me, me, me.

Your beliefs are your own, it’s when you start slating other people’s beliefs because of your own that you become intolerant.
Exactly! Intolerant to be tolerant of others? Okaaay, that makes sense lol.

I'm not. I want nothing to do with the religion either. I also know that it's not all about me, me, me.

Funny that you've made dozens of demands that secular people justify their perfectly valid preferences to you, you, you then, isn't it?

Funny that you've made dozens of demands that secular people justify their perfectly valid preferences to you, you, you then, isn't it?

< head desk >

Your reading comprehension is dreadful

No, your inability to answer a question with an actual reason beyond stamping your feet and saying “I don’t want to” is dreadful.

You still haven’t said why, just repeated over and over that it’s your right to not want to, but have absolutely no reason why it affects you personally. There is halal and non halal meat available for you to choose what you want without making a frankly ridiculous fuss over nothing.

Whereas you don't need to know as you CAN eat it. You just don't want to. It's meat.

THEY CAN EAT MEAT THEY WILL NOT DIE. They CAN PHYSICALLY eat meat. Get that through your head. It is their religious belief not to. It is also my personal belief not to eat halal meat. My personal beliefs are NO LESS IMPORTANT than their religious beliefs.

The only thing I don't accept is that those who do not follow and do not accept religion should have the religious practices of others forced upon them. Can't make it clearer than that

Genuine question - do you never eat out at restaurants? As a lot of big names are halal. I presume if you do you eat the vegetarian option to be on the safe side if you are so opposed to it?

Savvy you need a lie down.

Genuine question - do you never eat out at restaurants? As a lot of big names are halal. I presume if you do you eat the vegetarian option to be on the safe side if you are so opposed to it?

I listed loads at the start of the thread, nobody responded.

It is also my personal belief not to eat halal meat.

So don't bloody eat it then! Nobody's making you.

THEY CAN EAT MEAT THEY WILL NOT DIE. They CAN PHYSICALLY eat meat. Get that through your head.

It's perfectly in my head, thanks. I know they're not going to cark it if they suddenly eat non halal.
I'm not so intolerant that I can't respect others beliefs though even if they're not mine.

A friend invited a bunch of us over for food once. I’m an atheist.

I was dismayed when my friend said a Christian prayer at the start of the meal. All that delicious food ruined for me, covered in prayers. I tried to scrape some of the prayer off but it had infiltrated everything, even the vegetables.

Now when I go to the supermarket I make a point of explaining the scientific method to the produce to try and make it more prayer-resistant.

Malwod oh I do wish you’d found this thread earlier

I grew up with my parents saying grace over every meal, does that mean I’ve caught it? Noooooooo

Malwod
Good point about grace being said. Where do the "I won't eat halal because religion" stand on saying grace before a meal?

I’m an atheist and do not agree with Islam. Personal beliefs and preference. I’d not knowingly eat halal meat so would want to know if all the meat at a BBQ is halal.

How hypocritical that some
People are attacking people who DONT want to eat halal because they feel it’s not supporting other beliefs. 🤔 what about the beliefs of the people who don’t want halal meat?

Aaaaaand we’re back to square one.

As soon as someone can come up with a reason beyond “I don’t like Islam” it will just be the same shite over and over.

Peace out all!

I’m an atheist and do not agree with Islam

Do you disagree with other denominations too?

As soon as someone can come up with a reason beyond “I don’t like Islam” it will just be the same shite over and over.

Yup!! Boils down to having a problem with Islam as just stated.

Do you disagree with other denominations too?

That's what I'd like to know too. Where does the pp stand on a meal having grace said over it? Genuine question.

Reducing to discussion on whether meat can be identified as halal on seeing it is a ridiculously blinkered approach to the discussion of religious practice. Or an easy jibe. Asking questions over and over is a pretence at discussion - when it's blatantly obvious you see racism and your only mission is to expose it. There certainly is not much evidence of tolerance.

Only the shouty ones who can’t give a reason for hating it because it would out them as a bigot as happened upthread. I'm not shouty and did venture some thoughts which were ignored. Whatever, maybe my posts are boring. Happens sometimes. But perhaps there's a lure to engage with those where you get to exert your moral superiority.

If I was with friends who said grace I would have no problem. If I discovered that all food in supermarkets was routinely bring given god's blessing I'd wonder what the fuck was going on. I'd think it was utter nonesense at best.

I'm not so intolerant that I can't respect others beliefs though even if they're not mine.

No the poibt is you are EXACTLY thta intolerant. The whole reason this got raised was because some people don't seem to think it is necessary to inform NON muslims that their meat is halal. But apparently it IS necessary to inform muslims their meat IS halal. So you are entirely intolerant to people whose beliefs mean the DO NOT WANT TO EAT HALAL MEAT.

The whole reason this got raised was because some people don't seem to think it is necessary to inform NON muslims that their meat is halal.

Well no, because there's no reason for them not to eat it apart from "cos Islam."
Where do you stand on your Sunday lunch for example of roast beef or whatever having grace said over it?
Would you refuse to eat the beef because it's been prayered over?

If I was with friends who said grace I would have no problem. If I discovered that all food in supermarkets was routinely bring given god's blessing I'd wonder what the fuck was going on. I'd think it was utter nonesense at best

But would you refuse to eat it though or just roll your eyes and think nonsense but eat it anyway? That's the question.

because there's no reason for them not to eat it apart from "cos Islam."

And flip it in sodding reverse!!! There is NO reason for them not to eat NON halal meat apart from "cos Islam". It is IDENTICAL. My personal beliefs are no less valid. What do you not get about that. Their ONLY reason for eating halala is due to their religious beliefs (i.e. Islam). And I disagree for personal beliefs you have such a double standard it is a joke.

My dp’s Grandmother used to ask for the intercession of, I think, St Elizabeth, when she put bread in the oven. Would people have refused her bread if they had known about the prayers?

And I disagree for personal beliefs you have such a double standard it is a joke

You’re fully entitled to those beliefs. Just as other people are fully entitled to draw their own conclusions as to why.