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To think this is a bit off....But not sure why.

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Shortstuff08 · 30/07/2018 15:33

So, I had to go get the morning after pill today. I went to a high street retailer that has a pharmacy. They had a sign saying they provided it.

The woman behind the counter asked me if I was wanting the free one or to pay for it. I said that I assumed I would have to pay. She went away and came back and said they didn't provide the free one. I said that was fine and she told me that the Pharmacist would come our to see me in minute. A man approached me and asked if I was waiting. He then told me that he 'couldn't' provide MAP. I asked if they didn't have any and he said 'no, we do, but I can't give it'

Fair enough, I went to another high street store. Spoke to the Pharmacist there, she asked me a few questions about medication I am on and the gave me it. I said I was relieved she could as the other store couldn't give me it and thought I would spend all day looking for somewhere. She asked me where I had been and then said that some pharmacists, don't give it out due to religious purposes.

I don't think that's ok. If it's your job, how can you refuse on religious grounds? Or are some Pharmacists not able to administer it? Or am I being an arse in thinking that you should just do your job?

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IDontEatFriedTurtle · 30/07/2018 17:18

Erectile dysfunction has nothing to do with the debate as to when abortion becomes killing a baby.

Map doesn't kill a baby. HTH

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 30/07/2018 17:19

See, people like sugarplumfairy shouldn't be allowed to impose their made up nonsense on the rest of us.

SouthernComforts · 30/07/2018 17:20

I'm so glad that this is a legitimate excuse for not doing part of your job!

I'm going to use this tomorrow.

'Can you email X about Y?'
'Sorry, God says no.'

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Shortstuff08 · 30/07/2018 17:24

sugarPlumFairly. Lol.

MAP isnt an abortive.

And I was responsible. I was responsibly sorting the situation after a contraception failure. And yes.....I have rights too.

Same as anyone else

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IDontEatFriedTurtle · 30/07/2018 17:24

I'm going to get a job at primark and refuse to sell clothes made up of poly blends because God doesn't approve of mixing fabrics.

should make for an easy day!

toomuchtooold · 30/07/2018 17:24

Oh I don't like that at all. There are plenty of jobs you can do that don't require you to compromise your religious beliefs, so why not pick one of them if their beliefs are so important to them, rather than letting other people suffer the consequences of sticking to their beliefs?

JacquesHammer · 30/07/2018 17:25

Erectile dysfunction has nothing to do with the debate as to when abortion becomes killing a baby

Oh dear, someone typed without thinking

SimonBridges · 30/07/2018 17:27

I should have guessed you'd use the word "entitled". I kind of sums you up.

No.
She was entitled to buy the product she wanted. He should not be entitled to make a decision for her based on his personal beliefs.
What is she had been an anxious 16 year old who had summoned up the courage to go there only to be knocked back by his personal beliefs? She he be entitled to tell her what to do?

sugarPlumFairly · 30/07/2018 17:28

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PlatypusPie · 30/07/2018 17:33

It sounds a bit odd that he said he had it but couldn’t give it, rather than he had it but wouldn’t. If he didn’t say it was due to religious reasons ( which I would totally disagree with ) then why ? Was he actually the duty pharmacist ? . Seems odd to stock something that won’t be dispensed. - maybe he was not qualified to do so and the dispensing pharmacist wasn’t there at that time. Sounds like communication is not his finest skill.

Glad you achieved your purchase, OP.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 30/07/2018 17:33

You are making a supposition that you were refused on religious grounds. You may well be right, but you can't prove anything.

What I am wondering about is why, if they refuse to issue the pills, they stock them? Or does it depend on which pharmacist you meet on a particular day?

Whatever the reason, I'd contact their head office about it.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 30/07/2018 17:34

Sorry Platypius - cross post.

funinthesun18 · 30/07/2018 17:42

Erectile dysfunction has nothing to do with the debate as to when abortion becomes killing a baby.

😂 What and the MAP is??

IDontEatFriedTurtle · 30/07/2018 17:47

It doesn't "H" unless you explain why. Can you?

Yes, yes I can. Now, the morning after pill can be taken up to 72 hours after sex. However, It works best in the first 24 hours

So you are most likely if you happened to actually have egg meet sperm be only a few hours pregnant.

But to consider the worst case scenrio. let me get in to the hard science comparing a 3 day pregnancy with a baby with the use of this diagram. MN loves a diagram

To think this is a bit off....But not sure why.
sugarPlumFairly · 30/07/2018 17:48

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THEsonofaBITCH · 30/07/2018 17:48

I don't understand how they can make a belief trump the service the store is there to provide. Take it to its illogical extreme "Its against my belief to serve white people as they were responsible for the enslavement of many people." "Or "I refuse to sell fat people food as they clearly don't need more until they lose weight." Or "I refuse to serve women as they shouldn't be out in public without a male relative to conduct the transaction for them." How/Where do you draw the line? If its legal and provided by the store I think you must deliver it, but hey what do I know Confused

WinnieFosterTether · 30/07/2018 17:49

So you didn't ask why but decided instead to start a thread on MN criticising someone for having a religious belief that you disagree with . .. even though you don't know that the refusal was based on religious belief? Hmm
It never fails to surprise me that so many people are unaware that they don't live in a totalitarian state and that individuals can't be forced to act against their beliefs. I also struggle with the idea that so many apparently 'liberal' people think it's right to force others to act against their beliefs - I don't want to live in a country that intolerant.

Beeziekn33ze · 30/07/2018 17:50

Science - Would a JV be able to train as a doctor?

AbsentmindedWoman · 30/07/2018 17:50

This pisses me off too.

Incapable of providing certain legal medications due to your incredibly self-centred interpretation of a religion? Right then, you don't get to work in healthcare. It's not the job for you.

JacquesHammer · 30/07/2018 17:52

I can't see how erectile dysfunction medication contradicts any holy book but can see how MAP does

The point in question was the supplying of erectile dysfunction medication to someone practising sex before marriage.

SimonBridges · 30/07/2018 17:52

I would suggest that you are not even a few hours pregnant even if sperm and egg have met and done their thing.

I don’t think you are pregnant until the blastocyst has implanted into the womb.

There is a theory that if you are having regular unprotected sex then sperm and egg will meet and the egg will become fertilised most months, it just rarely implants.

OctaviaOctober · 30/07/2018 17:53

The people who say it's fine for others to refuse to carry out aspects of their job because of their religion - one day it may be your dd or your dniece or dgd who is looking for medical assistance in this way and getting turned away. It should only be fine with you if you can honestly say you'd be fine with your future dgd getting the same treatment. It's a lot easier to be philosophical when it's a stranger.

At the very least the pharmacist owed you an explanation. It may have been a valid reason, but you'll never know because he didn't feel the need to tell you.

SimonBridges · 30/07/2018 17:54

I also struggle with the idea that so many apparently 'liberal' people think it's right to force others to act against their beliefs

But it’s fine for other people to force their belief, and possibly and unwanted baby, on to me?

JacquesHammer · 30/07/2018 17:56

I also struggle with the idea that so many apparently 'liberal' people think it's right to force others to act against their beliefs - I don't want to live in a country that intolerant

I have no issue with anyone practising their beliefs in a way that doesn’t impact others

I think there is something very wrong in the mindset of someone who goes into a profession that requires some sensitivity knowing they will refuse care.

funinthesun18 · 30/07/2018 17:56

I say this as someone who had a 15 week abortion but don't think I had an entitlement for someone to provide it against their moral objections

Nobody who is against abortion should be doing that job anyway as they have no place. I’d be pretty disgusted if someone who objected to abortion worked with women going for abortions and tried forcing their religious views or moral judgements on to them. Or didn’t force it on them but judged women quietly on a daily basis. You’d have to be a pretty fucked up person to do that.