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'A Liar should have a good Memory,' Trump thread cont.

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lionheart · 30/07/2018 02:58

Quotation from Quintillian, I believe (unless someone was fibbing about that too).

Old thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3309032-Has-Trump-Turned-Traitor-Trump-thread-continued?watched=1&msgid=79826824#79826824

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ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 10:31

Perking, for some reason I cannot get that Oliver vid. to load. Did he agree with this suggestion from NYT? It seems to fit Manafort's modus operandi:
'..... question of why Mr. Manafort, now 69, agreed to an unpaid job for Mr. Trump has become increasingly tantalizing.

While his trial is unlikely to reveal the answer, there is evidence that Mr. Manafort saw Mr. Trump’s campaign as a potential loss leader — an upfront freebie that he could use to boost his stature and eventually parlay into more work for foreign clients. After working decades earlier for Bob Dole, George Bush, Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford, Mr. Manafort viewed the Trump campaign as a chance to return to prominence on the biggest stage in American politics, his associates said.

Running a winning presidential campaign is a surefire path to a White House job. But Mr. Manafort told people he had no interest in working in the Trump administration. “My dad is Trump’s right-hand man right now and will be through November,” Mr. Manafort’s daughter, Andrea Manafort Shand, wrote in a text message that was publicly disclosed after her phone had been hacked. “But he won’t accept any position in the White House.”

But Mr. Manafort recognized that his work with the Trump campaign was worth something. In April 2016, just days after becoming a Trump campaign strategist, he tried to use his positive news media coverage as leverage in a debt dispute with a Russian oligarch, Oleg V. Deripaska.'

www.nytimes.com/2018/08/03/us/politics/paul-manafort-trump-campaign.html

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 11:25

Looks like Giuliani-itis is infectious:

Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
This comparison is so bad it hurts. A) He’s comparing Mike Flynn to MLK Jr. B) Hoover collected info on JFK’s affairs because they didn’t like each other C) Hoover is remembered for his wild abuses of authority.
Axios
@axios
Trump's lawyer Jay Sekulow: "There was investigations going on on Martin Luther King Jr. Do you think if President Kennedy would have gone to J. Edgar Hoover and said, 'Hey stop that,' that that would have been an obstruction of justice claim? Of course not."
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1026103825009176578

PerkingFaintly · 06/08/2018 12:36

ohmymimi, Oliver doesn't go into reasons beyond (I paraphrase): "None of us knows for sure but actually we all know why – except the ostrich."Grin

BTW, I don't agree with that New York Times piece that "Mr. Manafort saw Mr. Trump’s campaign as a potential loss leader — an upfront freebie that he could use to boost his stature".

Manafort already had the connections and stature from decades in the game. He's no neophyte.

Even what the NYT offers as evidence for their(? Manafort's?) suggestion, doesn't strongly support it. Manafort didn't tout his services to some random client and say, "Hey, I'm the guy who did all this for Trump." He got in touch with Konstantin V. Kilimnik (now indicted) to make sure Oleg Deripaska knew about current media reporting of him!

That really doesn't make Manafort look somehow less involved with Russian influence operations! (Even though that's not what M is currently on trial for.)

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 12:44

I'm with the ostrich, PerkingGrin

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 12:46

Everything old is new again:
Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins
"Reporters who cover the White House say the shouting sessions are caused mainly by their lack of contact. Mr. Reagan has held 40 news conferences in 80 months in office. In 1987 he has held only two."
@kaitlancollins
From 1987: "Frustrated, reporters have become increasingly forceful — to some, ill-mannered — in efforts to pry information out of the White House. Whenever the President appears within shouting distance, he is now bombarded with high-decible inquiries." (link: www.nytimes.com/1987/10/21/us/washington-talk-the-presidency-shouting-questions-at-reagan.html) nytimes.com/1987/10/21/us/…
mobile.twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1026244954904043522

Gumpendorf · 06/08/2018 12:51

Wasn't that when Reagan had dementia and they were trying to hide it from the US people.

Concealment is the common factor. Wink

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lionheart · 06/08/2018 13:20

www.nytimes.com/2018/08/05/us/politics/nucor-us-steel-tariff-exemptions.html

Tariffs plus exceptions to tariffs = more swampiness.

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lionheart · 06/08/2018 13:23

www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/its-looking-extremely-likely-that-qanon-is-probably-a

'It's Looking Extremely Likely That QAnon Is A Leftist Prank On Trump Supporters.'

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ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 14:05

Perking, I agree that NYT comment about the freebie/loss leader is thin gruel, but I thought the indebtedness to Deripaska could be a key factor in Mr M.'s interest in attaching himself the Oaf (and why US prison maybe preferable to the sort of retribution Putin mete out to those who cross him, or know too much):

'Paul Manafort owed $17 million to Russian interests before joining Trump campaign: Report'

'Paul Manafort was in debt by as much as $17 million to pro-Russia interests before he joined the Trump campaign in March 2016, according to a report Wednesday.
The New York Times obtained financial records filed last year in Cyprus, where Manafort kept bank accounts during his time working in Ukraine and investing with a Russian oligarch.
The Times says the debt appears to be owed by shell companies tied to Manafort's business pursuits in Ukraine when he worked as a consultant to the pro-Russia Party of Regions.'

'Did Manafort Use Trump’s Campaign to Pay Back Russia?'

'Two weeks ago, the Washington Post reported that Robert Mueller and congressional investigators had obtained emails recording correspondence between Manafort and representatives of Oleg Deripaska, a Russian oligarch. Being a billionaire in Russia is not like being a billionaire in the United States. It requires maintaining an intimate relationship with Vladimir Putin. Their foreign policy dealings do not involve freelancing. When he is dealing with Manafort, Deripaska is doing Putin’s bidding.

In one email obtained by the Post, Manafort asked, “How do we use to get whole?” Manafort’s spokesman tells the Post this means nothing, because “it’s no secret Mr. Manafort was owed money by past clients.” But the known contours of the relationship indicate just the opposite. It is not that Manafort was owed money. It appears Manafort owed the money.

The year before Manafort joined Trump’s campaign, Deripaska filed a complaint in a Cayman Islands court that Manafort had borrowed $19 million from him and failed to account for it, and even hired a private investigator to track down Manafort, who had essentially gone into hiding. Julia Ioffe and Franklin Foer have obtained the emails that the Post reported on earlier. And while the messages are written carefully and frequently encoded — they refer to “black caviar jars” to mean payments, for instance — they indicate that Manafort was trying to impress Deripaska with his work as Trump’s campaign manager.

Manafort’s role as unpaid campaign manager for Donald Trump gave him a position of potentially enormous value to Russia. His massive debts to a Kremlin-aligned oligarch made him enormously vulnerable to being used as an agent of Russian influence. This is probably why the FBI was wiretapping Manafort, as CNN has reported, and why espionage experts have described Manafort as having the profile of an “ideal spy.” The emails are crucial because they go beyond circumstantial evidence to show Manafort communicating with Russian paymasters.

More specifically, he can be seen displaying his relationship with Trump to the person he apparently owed a massive sum of money. If he was using his position to get whole, as he wrote, it would mean Manafort was delivering favors to Russia through the Trump campaign in order to pay off his debt.'
nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/did-manafort-use-trumps-campaign-to-pay-back-russia.html

It would be interesting to be inside Mr. M.'s head at the momentSmile

I am having internet service problems today, so research and posting are taking ages.

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 14:40

So, QAnon was started by Luther Blissett when he was playing for ACMilan? He kept that quiet Wink

lionheart · 06/08/2018 15:36

Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
23m23 minutes ago
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“Collusion with Russia was very real. Hillary Clinton and her team 100% colluded with the Russians, and so did Adam Schiff who is on tape trying to collude with what he thought was Russians to obtain compromising material on DJT. We also know that Hillary Clinton paid through....

Donald J. Trump

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@realDonaldTrump
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....a law firm, eventually Kremlin connected sources, to gather info on Donald Trump. Collusion is very real with Russia, but only with Hillary and the Democrats, and we should demand a full investigation.” Dan Bongino on @foxandfriends Looking forward to the new IG Report!

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ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 15:38

This is both ridiculous and despicable, from an utterly ignorant POTUS who only cares about Americans who voted for him:

'He failed to express condolences to the families of the victims, thank firefighters, or offer comfort to Californians afraid for their lives, homes and communities.'
www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/trump-blames-fires-on-california-for-diverting-water-to-pacific_us_5b67a4d4e4b0b15abaa47772

Eric Kennedy
@ericbkennedy
As a professor who specializes in wildfire management, there are a lot of things that are broken about how we prepare for & fight wildfires... but it’s near impossible to overstate how ridiculous this comment is.
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
California wildfires are being magnified & made so much worse by the bad environmental laws which aren’t allowing massive amount of readily available water to be properly utilized. It is being diverted into the Pacific Ocean. Must also tree clear to stop fire spreading!
mobile.twitter.com/ericbkennedy/status/1026230967722237953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1026230967722237953&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffingtonpost.com%2Fentry%2Ftrump-blames-fires-on-california-for-diverting-water-to-pacific_us_5b67a4d4e4b0b15abaa47772

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cozietoesie · 06/08/2018 16:58

Oh my.

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 17:00

Midterms Nov 6th:

'The remaining sanctions to be reimposed on November 5 relate to Iran’s port operators and energy, shipping, and shipbuilding sectors. Crucially, they will also target its oil industry and foreign financial institutions with the Central Bank of Iran. Crucially, they will also target its oil industry and foreign financial institutions with the Central Bank of Iran '

This, from early July:

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jul/05/iran-retaliate-us-oil-threats-eu-visit-hassan-rouhani-trump

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 17:12

Renato Mariotti
@renatomariotti
The white supremacist group League of the South, which advocates creation of a neo-Confederate southern nation, now has a “Russian Outreach” section of its website that translates its views and contacts into Russian. Yet another consequence of the Trump disinformation campaign.
mobile.twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1026484083847847936
Asha Rangappa
@AshaRangappa

Replying to @renato_mariotti
Not surprised. I wrote about the Russia-white supremacy group connection last year, after Charlottesville

amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/23/opinions/russian-far-right-opinion-rangappa/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 17:16

More Russian outreach:
Manu Raju
@mkraju
Rand Paul from Moscow: “I am pleased to announced that we will be continuing this contact. We agreed and we invited members of the Foreign Affairs Committee of Russia to come to the US to meet with us in the US, in Washington, ” Paul said today
mobile.twitter.com/mkraju/status/1026431684370223104

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 17:28

Kobach scores high in Trump bingo: grifter, racist, white supremacy. Perfect.
Manu Raju
@mkraju
Republicans were fearing this, worried Trump would push Kobach through in Tuesday primary - and thereby give Democrats a shot to win a gov race in a red state
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Kris Kobach, a strong and early supporter of mine, is running for Governor of the Great State of Kansas. He is a fantastic guy who loves his State and our Country - he will be a GREAT Governor and has my full & total Endorsement! Strong on Crime, Border & Military. VOTE TUESDAY!
mobile.twitter.com/mkraju/status/1026496149971263489

www.salon.com/2018/08/02/remember-kris-kobach-trumps-voter-fraud-hunter-is-now-part-of-the-big-right-wing-grift/
www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/08/does-kris-kobach-have-white-nationalists-on-his-campaign-payroll/
www.theroot.com/the-troubling-history-of-the-most-racist-politician-in-1795244984

lionheart · 06/08/2018 19:22

Caroline O.
‏*@RVAwonk*

'NEW: Per @NBCNews, Roger Stone ally Kristin Davis (the "Manhattan Madam") will testify before special counsel Mueller's grand jury next week.

Last week, she met w/Mueller's team to answer questions "about collusion."'

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lionheart · 06/08/2018 19:27

More Kobach.

www.propublica.org/article/kris-kobachs-lucrative-trail-of-courtroom-defeats

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