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'A Liar should have a good Memory,' Trump thread cont.

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lionheart · 30/07/2018 02:58

Quotation from Quintillian, I believe (unless someone was fibbing about that too).

Old thread here:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3309032-Has-Trump-Turned-Traitor-Trump-thread-continued?watched=1&msgid=79826824#79826824

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lionheart · 05/08/2018 20:48

shareblue.com/john-bolton-trump-putin-russia-summit/

'Top Trump adviser forced to quote Putin on what Trump said at Russia summit.'

Hmm
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lionheart · 05/08/2018 20:49

www.lawfareblog.com/can-senate-constrain-president-nato-and-russia

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cozietoesie · 05/08/2018 20:52
Hmm
cozietoesie · 05/08/2018 20:58

Interesting lawfare piece. Thanks, lion.

lionheart · 05/08/2018 21:06

I can't remember if this was already posted.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/bookmarks-bookshop-attack-socialist-london-muslims-paedophilia-trump-a8478306.html

'The owners of Britain’s largest socialist bookshop have said the store was attacked by masked far-right protesters who chanted fascist songs and threatened staff.

Authors and an MP were moved to express solidarity with workers at Bookmarks Bookshop, on Bloomsbury Street in central London, after around a dozen people stormed in on Saturday night.

It followed the conclusion of a "Make Britain Great Again" protest against the censoring of a conspiracy theory website nearby.'

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lionheart · 05/08/2018 21:08

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-rally-speech-ohio-trade-rant-china-space-force-corrected-by-crowd-lebron-james-a8478241.html

"Trump rants incoherently on trade then says there is ‘so much happening in space’, during rambling Ohio rally speech."

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ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 21:15

Lawfare/NATO:

Do their job, now that is a novel ideaHmm

Maybe Congress—exhausted by the frenzied churn of this administration and the throngs of reporters pursuing them through the halls seeking denunciations of tweets and off-script comments—has learned that the best way to avoid the mad dash for the members-only elevators is to do their job: to exercise their constitutional authority to use legislative power to close off some of the most outlandish possibilities on foreign policy—thus rendering the madness of tweets actually, and not just rhetorically, irrelevant.

lionheart · 05/08/2018 21:18

A little late to the party.

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lionheart · 05/08/2018 21:25
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'A Liar should have a good Memory,' Trump thread cont.
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cozietoesie · 05/08/2018 22:06
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ohmymimi · 05/08/2018 22:27

lion, thank you for tracking down those Lawfare pieces, both v. interesting.

Lawfare/L'Affaire Russe:
I have only had a quick scan, but it is very thought provoking.
Aside from whatever the Oaf knew/did re Russian interference, his rage, insecurity, inability for restraint are constant factors, rooted in his consuming need for self-preservation. And his extreme narcissism means he has none of the normal moral restraints, so, from his pov, using the Russians would be fine if he saw advantage in it, whatever the potential damage for his nation. Admiring autocrats for him is natural, they appear to have what he wants, unmediated power, plus the 'strongman' effect. He would not need to know exactly what the Russians have on him, he knows what he did, so he would fear exposure of sexual/financial misdeeds (not through guilt, self-preservation, again). It seems just possible that there has been an horrific confluence of chancers, malign foreign actors, the insatiably greedy, ruthless power grabbers, the amoral, mixed with some financial jeopardy, corruption and criminality. The Oaf is a chaos agent, so it should be unsurprising there is a maelstrom of crud in his orbit.

It is possible to look at this behavior, in general, as evidence that suggests that the underlying facts of L’Affaire Russe must be very bad—that is, that we must be at the more menacing end of the spectrum (perhaps Theory #6 or #7), not the more innocent end. Who, after all, triggers a major probe into obstruction of justice in order to impede an investigation that’s going nowhere anyway? On the other hand, it’s also possible to look at the obstruction investigation as simply a matter that Trump blundered into and to see his interactions with law enforcement more as a feature of his personality than his actual vulnerability from L’Affaire Russe. Perhaps Trump fired Comey in a fit of rage and insecurity over the legitimacy of his election, and then was unable to restrain himself from attempting to meddle with each subsequent development as Mueller developed his investigation into the initial firing of Comey—resulting in a cascade of obstruction attempts not necessarily connected to any underlying crime.

cozietoesie · 05/08/2018 22:38

I'm inclined to the 'other hand'.Wink

lionheart · 05/08/2018 23:04

Lawfare really comes up with some interesting (and informative) reading.

www.rawstory.com/2018/08/ex-gop-director-confesses-alt-right-taken-virginia-republican-party/#.W2dxJau2Qeo.twitter

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lionheart · 05/08/2018 23:13

www.apnews.com/1c57404aaea9427fba5478dd61f5a801

“I have some news to make this morning. I’m going to be running for re-election in 2020,” McConnell told the crowd at Graves County Middle School, adding: “I don’t like starting late.”

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lionheart · 05/08/2018 23:20

Chief Judge Beryl Howell appears to be on the ball.

Elizabeth de la Vega
‏*@Delavegalaw*

'Judge Beryl Howell is on a roll. The ruling below was August 3. The day before she upheld Mueller's appointment as Special Counsel and ordered Stone's former aide Andrew Miller to comply with a SC subpoena for testimony & documents.'

PoliticsVideoChannel
‏*@politvidchannel*

'Breaking: on Friday Judge Beryl A. Howell struck down a Federal Election Commission rule that allowed for anonymous donations to “dark money” groups. this means groups Are Now required to reveal the identities of donors.

THANK YOU Judge Beryl A. Howell'

edition.cnn.com/2018/08/04/politics/judge-beryl-howell-mueller-appointment-trump-subpoena/index.html

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Minimammoth · 06/08/2018 05:45

‘So much happening in space’
The space in his head that is.
And why is Donald junior treated as if he is some kind of 15 yr old run around? He is a 40 yr old man. Hmm

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 08:19

'Democrats surging on eve of pivotal special election.
Republicans have deployed the full machinery of the party to avoid defeat in the final special election before the midterms'www.politico.com/story/2018/08/05/ohio-special-election-democrats-764337

TheNorthWestPawsage · 06/08/2018 08:23

Angry I feel another protest coming on.

Trump will 'force' May's government to accept hormone beef and chlorinated chicken after Brexit
uk.businessinsider.com/peter-westmacott-interview-trump-brexit-trade-deal-hormone-beef-chlorine-washed-chicken-2018-7

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 08:24

'The real lesson Trump learned from Charlottesville.
The president emerged from a low point of his presidency unscathed with his loyal voters, and has turned race into a key issue for the midterms — and beyond.'
www.politico.com/story/2018/08/05/trump-charlottesville-republicans-midterms-764348

PerkingFaintly · 06/08/2018 08:25

John Oliver has a point: if Manafort was broke, why did he work for Trump for free?

John Oliver calls BS on Fox News for downplaying Russia’s role in Manafort trial: ‘For some reason he worked for Trump for free’
www.rawstory.com/2018/08/john-oliver-calls-bs-fox-news-trying-downplay-russias-role-manafort-trial-reason-worked-trump-free/

ohmymimi · 06/08/2018 08:31

This:
'Indeed the republicans in Congress who distanced themselves from Trump during the height of the controversy last summer have since embraced the president on tax reform and his Supreme Court selection, Brett Kavanaugh. Many of the executives who walked away from Trump’s business councils have simply taken their hobnobbing behind closed doors: Now they quietly dine with the president at the White House, or with his daughter Ivanka and son-in-law Jared Kushner at their Kalorama mansion.'
www.politico.com/story/2018/08/05/trump-charlottesville-republicans-midterms-764348

Gumpendorf · 06/08/2018 09:17

NorthWest. The C4 documentary'Inside the US Embassy' had an episode on US Trade relations and it was shocking. The new ambassador was all about trade deals with very aggressive attempts to overcome British antipathy to what they called 'lies' over chlorinated chicken and hormone injected beef. They don't get that their food standards are low.

Equally aggressive arms sales too. Trying to convince us that it was essential we beef up UK military with $bns of US equipment.

lettuceWrap · 06/08/2018 10:07

Thenorthwest, re food safety and our farmers.

I’ve been telling my disappointingly pro-Trump, UKIP and Brexit voting family members that we need Europe to protect us from out friends, the Americans, since well before the EU referendum. They still can’t see the connection despite being farmers.

They seem to think that people will buy British and everything will be fine...

Importers of course, will do everything they can to obscure the origin of their meat - this already happens to some extent, ie putting number codes on meat to describe origin, instead of using words, or saying processed in U.K. or packed in the U.K. when it’s imported.

I’ve seen, and complained about meat (lamb) for sale in Tesco freezers that says “meat origin of Eu, New Zealand Or Argentina”- not even telling you which continent it’s from! I did not buy it and told Tesco why, but how many people read every label?

There will also be huge pressure to stop othef meat being labelled as hormone free or not chlorine washed (the implication being anything not labelled thus, is hormone injected/chlorine washed)... just look at the legal battles in the USA and elsewhere to stop labelling of GMO foodstuffs.

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