To think a lot of people are jealous of teachers' holidays but...

[Pengggwn]

...too bitter about it to admit that they wouldn't be teachers themselves?

Just that really.

I have seen so many comments and threads aimed at dissecting teachers' pay and conditions to a forensic level, people complaining that teachers are available over the summer to answer their queries, people arguing that teachers should be working anyway or claim to be working even when they're not (I'm not, at least not for the next month).

And yet, we are in the middle of a teacher recruitment and retention crisis. We can't recruit and keep well-qualified teachers.

Where are all the volunteers??

Hollington barely sorry...I like kids...I just don't like bad behaviour...or the culture of teaching....or mollycoddling parents.

It is that attitude that is driving people out. Respect is earned...pah! I am now a student on a medical course. I give my lecturers 100percent respect..they don't have to earn it. They are lecturers , more qualified than me and fellow humans...we go they get respect automatically....as I want to learn.

everyone gets a level of respect automatically according to their position.
Keeping that respect is something you have to earn.

I've only known them 5 minutes and I respect them...I don't sit there sneering waiting for them to prove themselves...in the same way I don't do that to most people.
No wonder kids are so entitled. Would you tell your kids that their teachers must earn their respect? Seriously?

Honestly. From your posts I can tell you’re deeply unsuited to teaching. So it’s a good thing you left.

Your quite right Hollingdon...I don't respect you as you have the daggers out and are blaming me for suffering horrendous abuse ....are you a teacher? Would you respect staff and colleagues who won't back you up. Goodnight.

Bitch.. that is all. You don't know me.

But your health course will teach you deference can be derrimental and not a marker of good practice, clinicans advocate for clients they don’t just confer respect to hierarchy or perceived superiors

Your deeply insulting to humanity so get lost.

Look. You’re upset. I get that. But calling me names is just incredibly indicative of how you can’t deal with stress. Which is the main job of a teacher. And you aren’t even a teacher anymore.

Who are you addressing malificent?

Me!

The hours are the problem. The reason people are leaving in droves is the toxic culture where neither schools, nor teachers nor children will ever be good enough. Everyone is trying to race to an ever moving finish line. It’s demoralising and exhausting on top of long hours, increased SEND needs, increased abuse from a loud if tiny minority of children and parents.

The hours aren’t the problem

It's very triggering which is why I called you names. The things that happened to me caused me deep psychological trauma. I actually carried on teaching 10 years after such events before realising I had to go..my last post liked me but the money was not there for a long term contract.
I assume you said I wasn't fit to teach as I said 'bring back the birch...'that was a bitter joke.
Ironically your quick condemnation of me professional capability reiterates most people attitudes towards teachers...getting abuse ? Must be because you are a shite teacher and with dull lessons. My last lot of students were lovely and said they were glad to meet me but it didn't stop the one nasty kid from tearing me apart every lesson.
I apologise for name calling as it is childish but I found your response to me quite insulting and triggering...as I suspect you knew it would.
Of course the birch is not a solution...i am very against it so what is? How do we keep teachers? Do you teach btw?

Oh yes.. and also i deserve to be abused as i apparently hate kids!!
I went into teaching BECAUSE of the kids...but how is mollycoddlinb and entertaining them showing that you care about their education?

Holding the biggest issue with respect is that children learn your mantra from their parents - respect should be earned. What that equates to in many pupils is that it is ok to be disrespectful.
Last year I had the hardest year ever. I had one year 11 class who were, quite frankly, vile. I was regularly told to fuck off, called a variety of names with bitch and cunt being the least offensive, was told to shut up when trying to teach as their conversations were
More important. I got given the class as one of the strongest teachers in the department. It nearly broke me and I have failed my appraisal and am on a warning because they did not pass their exams. I have never cried teaching in 20 years until that class. SLT did as much as slt usually do - I mean we can't exclude kids now can we. At times I feared I was going to get hit. One boy was constantly drugged up either on weed or cocaine (the former being easier to manage)
So yes kids should have respect for where they are, their classmates and finally their teacher who has a responsibility to educate..

Bollocks to good discipline being all about you caring for the children. You can love them even and still be too “soft” or just have ineffectual management or be at the wrong stage in your career etc.
Why does a pp say dealing with stress is “the main job of a teacher” WTF? Do you think teachers globally find stress the main part of their job? Or deal with disrespect on the levels British teachers do?
I will repeat this is a zombie thread, and the inevitable negativity that rolls round on mumsnet about teachers is why teachers so often end up posting about how hard their job is - and so the cycle goes on. Completely sick of it.

This is not goady in any way... but  teaching is hard yes... is it the hardest most unrewarding longest hours most commitment job in the world? No

I have no idea why we must keep being subjected to these martyr speeches on Mumsnet... yes you work hard as do I... yes you do long hours as do I... yes it's often a thankless task as is mine... it just So happens to be that you teach.

You don't read 100s of threads on here about how mo one will admit that they don't want to be a finance director and work 70 hours a week IN the office, more at home and travel 2000 miles a week

In my local authority all employees are protected by zero tolerance except for teachers.
Interesting.
It's not the hardest, it's not the worst, it may average 60+ hours a week but usually only for 42 weeks of the year.
So why are people leaving? Why are people who hace had successful careers outwith education beung broken by teaching?
Why does so many people think they know more about the job than those doing it? Be that inspectors, parents, general public, and politicians.
Me? I love my job. I hate what politics are doing to education. I feel sad at the way so many children are unable to fully access and appreciate the opportunities they are offered. But, every year we make differences to children and families and they to us. So that's what i focus on rather than getting hurt, or the daily evacuations of a classroom knowing i can't ensure the safety of some staff and pupils and a curriculum and funding that ensure we can't do the job we need to.
I like the holidays just wish i could turn off from work more during them and not have to catch up in them.

"Respect is earned not given" is one of the most pernicious, idiotic things you can teach your child when sending them into an educational environment. It is carte blanche for them to be rude, disruptive and inconsiderate of other people, then to turn around and say, "Well, I don't respect you, and that's your fault."

How about, I earned the right to be respected when I went to university, got my qualifications, trained as a teacher and became employed as one?

How about, you undertook to respect me when you walked in that door and expected to walk out with an education?

How about, stop teaching your children to be entitled little shits and try helping them to understand how the world actually works?

"Respect is earned not given" is one of the most pernicious, idiotic things you can teach your child "

I'm a Patrent and GParent and agree with that.

We all need to behave with a basic level of respect, which includes listening and consideration, in every life situation.

I live in a rough area, the Teenage Lads are horrible, sexist, disrespectful, criminal louts. I pity what their Female Teachers must go through.

I wonder how many people who say that shit statement are reguraly around Lads/Men who have no respect for Women, as it is. Let alone one who is educated (which gets no respect in some quarters) and in charge.

I say that as someone who's DD with ADHD and Dyslexia was let down by Teachers.

I did teaching in a fe college for 2 years.
Made me realise that i could not do it long term and i would far rather work in an environment where people liked coming to work, liked most of their colleagues and smiled every so often!

I am admittedly reading this quickly but I have never seen a teacher claim on MN that they have the hardest job in the world. Just lots of other people say that teachers think it and then everybody criticises them for it

I quite agree, @Tw1nsetAndPearls teacher bashing is a popular hobby on here, sadly. It's no wonder that you then get teachers being defensive, but they're generally a lot less aggressive than those who do the bashing.