To think people are uneducated about weight loss?

[iliveinchucks]

Someone posted in a weight loss I used to follow that they were doing the keto diet (low to zero carbs) and they could have as much oil, mayonnaise and butter as they wanted as there was no calorie counting but now they’ve switched to this diet and finally seeing results.

Aibu to think no wonder you weren’t seeing results if you weren’t tracking your calories whilst eating high fat food?

It's all about calories in Vs out.

Governments have been saying that since the 1970s, and yet obesity rates are rising.

Atkins originally insisted (very firmly & very unscientifically, I read his book often as a teenager in '70s!) that calories were completely irrelevant to weight loss or gain. That's where the debate still rages (bizarrely).

Calorie deficit always matters, Is all OP is saying which is reasonable because proven by the scientific analysis of what happens to calorie intake when people successfully lose weight on low carb diets. Low carb can be more satisfying for some.

And since the 1970s there are far more people commuting to sedentary jobs, living on sprawling estates with no amenities within walking distance and poor public transport links. Far more convenience stores open until late at night, pubs selling food all day, takeaways that you can order on line and have delivered to your house, supermarkets selling vast arrays of pre prepared processed food, and far more alcohol consumed at home. To blame it all on carbs is risible.

ABU you need educating I think. I do keto for a week and lose half a stone. I keep it off. I don’t calorie count. There’s no need

I’m not saying you have to calorie count! My goodness.

I’m saying there’s no diet where you can mindlessly eat food high in calories and lose weight because calories don’t matter. They do matter!

I think it's the opposite. People just have so much information about weight loss it all becomes a bunfight about who is doing the best diet. Even when just talking about calories it's 'don't do this, do that/ Do Low carb/ it's sustainable/it's not sustainable/vegan etc etc. Too much information has the same effect as no information. It all just becomes noise. If you can't sustain a weight loss long very term it's all pointless and different people with different lives and properties will have the ability to stick to different things.

Priorities not properties 😁

@MongerTruffle
That's because people don't know how to properly do a calorie controlled diet.

Bascially as we've known for ages since banting in the 1800s good fat fills you up and therefore you eat less. most people know this although it is taking the NHS years to undo the damage it did to the nation for 40 years of recommend loads of carbs. However the message is getting through.

No one however is saying that eating loads of calories of any kind will lose you weight. It is just quite hard to eat so much good fat and veg that you over eat. it is pretty natural, scientific and works.

Governments have been saying that since the 1970s, and yet obesity rates are rising.

I certainly don't agree that it's as simple as calories in vs calories out. But let's not pretend that the majority of people actually follow government advice about eating and exercise!

Just because people aren't calorie counting doesn't mean calories don't count.

I wouldn't say calories don't count. They just aren't the whole picture. Different kinds of food have different effects on your body and your appetite. And those things affect your health and your ability to lose weight. Eating 500 calories' worth of protein, fat and veg is very different from eating 500 calories of chocolate. Not least because it will fill you up more, not mess with your eating habits for the rest of the day, not mess with your blood sugar, and give you vitamins and minerals you need. Weight loss is surely about how you feel (physically and psychologically) as much as it is about how much you weigh. If you are starving hungry and lurching from one sugar high to the next, you are unlikely to lose weight even if you are (temporarily) sticking to a calorie limit.

One thing that is making a difference is the simplicity of the Food Industry labelling re Traffic Light System. It's something everyone can connect with.

I don't buy a lot of preprepared food, but even making a quick choice between an apple pie -v- apple and blackberry crumble if we're in a rush, says the apple pie is mainly amber but the crumble is mainly red. It oversimplifies things to some extent but it is effective. It can help people who are trying to become healthier, or who have made the choice to go low carb or low fat.

Best thing is to make stuff yourself, the Food Industry is only in business to tempt people to eat as much 'value-add' convenience food as possible.

Also a lot of these people lived to 35

That was the average life expectancy. Made up of people who died of childhood diseases, young women who died in childbirth and people who survived either of those who lived into their 50s and 60s.

Also, yes, the overweight people aren't those who are following government low fat guidance that are overweight, but those who consume more calories than they burn due to larger portions, alcohol, eating out and takeaways, coffee and cake, etc.

5000 calories of nuts, cream, butter and cheese in a day is no challenge at all.

Eating 5000 calories a day and losing weight you are clearly uneducated about what a keto diet entails. One of the reasons it works for so many people is that it's really hard to eat too much protein rich and high fat foods as they make you feel fuller faster. So even without counting calories you eat fewer. Sounds more like the person posting wasn't following it properly.

I think lots of people are uneducated about losing weight and you sound like one of those people. Don't worry, there's lots of information online which can help.

Keto diet has been used since 1920/30's to help with some epileptic symptoms.

Chef Tom Kerridge lost 12 stone with a low carb – high fat diet, cutting out alcohol and swimming every day.

Sir Bradley Wiggins put his body into ketosis when he won the 2012 Tour de France and the Olympics.

Keto diet has a good pedigree, though it's not for me.

Dr Michael Mosley (5:2) fame was diagnosed as type 2 diabetic – his book, “The 8 – week blood sugar diet', suggests a 'low carb Mediterranean- style' way of eating. The book could be useful for some particularly as the diet includes dark chocolate and red wine!

In the mid-Victorian era the population ate large quantities of food, but with plenty of 'exercise'(working), survive childhood and live expectancy wasn't too different to ours. Unfortunately, around about the 1850's rolling milling for wheat and sugar was invented, the industrialisation of our food had begun. The advent of supermarkets, ready meals with artificial sweetners and chemically loaded bread do a lot damage.

I think lots of people are uneducated about losing weight and you sound like one of those people. Don't worry, there's lots of information online which can help.

I’ve lost 5 stone and kept it off for 2 years now. I’m doing fine. You just clearly don’t understand my post.

I AM NOT DISPUTING KETO!!!!!

Is that clear enough for people?!?! Ffs.

I’m disputing someone saying that’s what they did and the calories didn’t matter and they weren’t seeing results!!! This would be true of any fucking diet!

I’ve lost 5 stone and kept it off for 2 years now. I’m doing fine. You just clearly don’t understand my post.

I understand perfectly and well done for losing weight. I think that perhaps you haven't had the response on here you were looking for ...

People are different though and there are lots of factors that go into weight loss.

I have been frustrated as I cannot use the same low carb high protein diet to lose weight as successfully as I did almost a couple of decades ago. Even then I plateaued and had to reassess portion sizes.

So started running. Still was loosing and gaining the same couple of pounds throughout a week. So, in addition, decided to cut my portion sizes in half and fill the rest of the plate up with salad. Now that works! Don't feel hungry either. But this wouldn't necessarily work if I wasn't eating pretty healthily to start with.

I think the key to weight loss is to keep reviewing it and making tweaks to ensure you don't plateau.

This is such an interesting thread. My brother's doing keto at the moment but I think he's struggling. I couldn't do it. Skimmed milk is a 'must have' for me as I drink a lot of tea and enjoy it.

I use MFP and calorie count. It works for me. If I want to eat something that's not very nutritious or filling, I can, but I have to count it.

Works for me... on 1200 calories a day, I could save them up and eat a box of 12 delicious fishfingers and a cucumber!

I’m disputing someone saying that’s what they did and the calories didn’t matter and they weren’t seeing results

When low carbers say calories don't matter, they usually probably just mean that there is generally no need to count calories, because fat and protein are so filling that it's unusual to overeat. Obviously it would be ridiculous to claim that it's actually physically impossible to eat so much fat/meat etc on a lc diet that you gain weight or at least fail to lose any.

*It's all about calories in Vs out.

Governments have been saying that since the 1970s, and yet obesity rates are rising.*

That's because people can't/don't/won't stick to it.

If people actually understood what their BMR was, stuck to a healthy, balanced diet which was in deficit, interspersed with a reasonable amount of exercise, they will, in 99% of cases, lose weight.

The problem is, they kid themselves, and kid each other on actually being in deficit. Willpower is lacking, motivation to exercise is waning, but in reality, all they do is self sabotage.

And then the serial dieters hop on the next fad. Low carb this, low fat that, high carb here, high fat there. Kid yourselves it's the type of diet making the difference if you want, the reason you are losing weight is, you are in calorie deficit.

What no one has said is the thing about going into ketosis is that you are not able to metabolise food in the same way. IIRC you need some glucose to break food down. If you don't have that the body metabolises fat from which you get ketones.

This a ketotonic diet works not strictly through a calorie deficit but because you don't have enough blood glucose to metabolise food in the usual way.

It's one of the reasons the phenomenon of protein starvation exists.

However diets that strict aren't particularly healthy, sustainable or well balanced. So portion size (and calories) does end up being a consideration.