To think people are uneducated about weight loss?

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Someone posted in a weight loss I used to follow that they were doing the keto diet (low to zero carbs) and they could have as much oil, mayonnaise and butter as they wanted as there was no calorie counting but now they’ve switched to this diet and finally seeing results.

Aibu to think no wonder you weren’t seeing results if you weren’t tracking your calories whilst eating high fat food?

Nuts are a good example. Lovely crunchy option if you want to cut out sugercial ( carbs). Super calorific.

But if they stop you eating sugary shit then you outgrow your taste for sugar and stop eating the easy cheap stuff that made you fat..cake, bread, crisps etc.

It's a long game. Basically you always have to eat less.
If it's high fat to stop hunger, high calorie but low sugar to get out of bad habits or low fat and loads of veg to become healthier ..whatever. You just need to eat differently to whatever you were doing.

Well you're not wrong about people being uneducated about healthy diets, judging by most of the posts in this thread.

@cherish123 Americans do not eat a low carb diet??? Where did you get that information?

Americans tend to eat low carb diets

This has not been my experience.

I’ve lost 18lb this year. I threw out the bathroom scales & the calorie counting books in March. Then stopped eating sweet stuff (mostly biscuits), bread & pasta, and limited alcohol to 1 glass of wine a week. And I jog twice a week
Now if I get hungry I snack on cheese and fruit. I still eat potatoes so still carbs. I weigh myself when I visit my sis every few months..

As long as my clothes are getting looser, I’m happy. I don’t think about calories any more. It’s a relief. I feel much better

You may want to look up ketosis.. Yes, it does work but is not good for your kidneys etc.

I have been following a low carb diet for six months and lost 2 stone (and a whopping 8 inches from my stomach) but I agree with you somewhat OP. Reducing carbs has worked for me in that I ate all the wrong things (beer, doughnuts, chocolate etc 😂) so it probably was just cutting all those out that have done it!! But I find the whole cream/bacon/fatty meats to be odd and unnecessary. I read a study showing that a low carb high protein diet had similar results to low carb high fat, I will see if I can find it. I do eat a lot of healthy fats though, avocados, oily fish, olives, etc, but that is more for skin.

YABU you need educating I think. I do keto for a week and lose half a stone. I keep it off. I don’t calorie count. There’s no need

I don’t believe low car.b high fat is healthy either. It’s not balanced.

I have shifted a stone since the beginnning of the year but have not been calorie counting or low carbing. Portion control, cutting back on alcohol, lowish fat moderate healthy carbs. Exercise (cross trainer, kettlebells).

I’ve been successful with Weight Watchers in the past but put the weight back on over about 4 years. Never doing it again.

Eat less move more failed for me for 12yrs. Low carb/high fat/protein and ditching the calorie counting worked.

The premise is, humans didn't really eat carbs for thousands of years, and have got extremely fat since introducing them into their diet.

Umm rice is a carb, and that's been around quite a long time, somewhere between 12,000 and 15,000 years!

Cutting out any food group is absolutely misguided. The psychology of talking about "good" food and "free" food is flawed, it just makes people eat that food irrespective of whether they actually want it. Fast food ads that talk about "refuelling" makes food into a function, to cram down not to savour and appreciate.

People (certainly in the prosperous West) have lost the ability to differential between real hunger and eating by the clock. Also they wolf food down while working instead of doing what the French do, down tools, enjoy a proper leisurely lunch eaten slowly and with enjoyment.

Not wanting to do a TAAT, but there's a discussion about afternoon tea, where people are saying they'd still be hungry - that's because people's expectations about portion sizes and types of food is through the roof compared to 20-30years ago.

Yet we've never been so 'Information rich' about how you can eat a simple balanced health diet to extend life. People prefer quick fix fads for short term gains (getting into a bikini, slimming down for a wedding), not sustainable lifelong habits.

Bread has been around quite a long time too!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44846874

@cherish123 Americans do not eat low carb diets. Their diets are generally full of sugar or more likely high fructose corn syrup.

I actually know a couple of Americans on high fat, low carb diets and they say it is making them eat better and lose weight as they are cutting out bread and other refined processed carbs which in America, unlike the UK and the rest of Europe, tends to have high fructose corn syrup added to them.

The idea that Americans eat a low carb diet in general made me lol.

Yes, it is funny that anyone would imagine a whole nation to eat in a particular way. My MIL saw burgers in a can on her first visit to a British supermarket, but she understood that not all British people eat shite at every opportunity. I have lived in NY and SF where there are huge amounts of people who follow a low carb diet, so I guess it is all relative isn’t It?

Carbs are the only food group we don't need. Most of us are slightly insulin resistant due to a high carb diet; drop the carbs and we lose weight.

Americans have high carb diets.

Bread has been around for a long time but not in industrial quantities, and probably a much less refined version. The refining of flour lets out the sugar.

No. Some Americans have high carb diets. Like the British. And there are carbs in vegetables, so, um, we don’t need them? It depends on the carb surely?

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Yes, low-carb veg like kale are suitable for a low carb diet. Carrots, beetroot etc. discouraged.

And yes, SOME Americans although high fructose corn syrup seems to be inescapable over there.

As a hypothyroid I do need carbs. Studies suggest a ketogenic diet inhibits the conversion of T4 into T3 (active thyroid hormone).

I think most of the replies you've had so far just proves YANBU.

It's amazing how delusional people can be about their own eating habits and seem to think that cutting out an entire food group will somehow equal amazing sudden weight loss.

Diets like Keto etc when followed to the letter tend to work out as low calorie anyway. It's just a fad. It used to be called Atkins about 15 years ago until people realised it probably wasn't that good for you and wasn't really a sustainable long term lifestyle. Now it's back in fashion under another name.

Healthy weight loss takes a lot of time. There's no quick fix.

I tried low carb, high fat &, for me, it didn't work as I can eat endless amounts of cheese, cream (including clotted cream straight from the pot), nuts and all sorts of other delicious & highly calorific foods. If I thought of it as protein, veg and fats to taste, I was OK.
It then turned into a complete disaster as I lost all willpower and starting eating carbs, still had all of the glorious cheese & cream and things in so ended up on a high fat, high carb diet which was divine but I did put on the best part of a stone in a month which, six months later, I am still trying to lose! That's nothing to do with the science of the diet though, just my reading of it to suit me.
I did WW a few years ago and, as it was "free" (or whatever the phrase was) was eating a punnet of grapes and a punnet of strawberries each day and, guess what, didn't lose weight.
I think that more attention should be paid to the fact that people on a diet are generally in that position as they over eat and so shouldn't be told they can have as much as they like of a particular item as some - like me - will take that very literally.

I think you have to consider not just the ability of a particular diet to make you lose weight, but the effect it has on your appetite too, because that has a huge impact on your likelihood of sticking to it long-term. It's still very unlikely you'll stick to any restrictive diet long-term though, because it basically requires willpower and resistance to inconvenience and social pressure every day for the rest of your life if you want to keep the weight off. That's why almost everybody fails in the end.

Strict low carb high fat (though I have yet again fallen off the wagon) is the only diet that ever actually reduced my appetite. It absolutely worked. But it is very unforgiving - stray but a little and the weight piles back on very fast.

However, my 74 yo df has stuck to a more moderate low carb, not particularly high fat diet for two years. It has made him lose two stone and has reversed his pre-diabetes and got him off his statins and high blood pressure meds that he'd been on for years. I'm doubtful as to whether a low fat diet could have achieved that. I think cutting out sugar is probably key health-wise, even if you don't go full-on low carb.