To think people are uneducated about weight loss?

[iliveinchucks]

Someone posted in a weight loss I used to follow that they were doing the keto diet (low to zero carbs) and they could have as much oil, mayonnaise and butter as they wanted as there was no calorie counting but now they’ve switched to this diet and finally seeing results.

Aibu to think no wonder you weren’t seeing results if you weren’t tracking your calories whilst eating high fat food?

““Try eating 5000 cals of fat. Bet you can't.”

In a whole day?... that’s only a block of cheese and a couple of bags of nuts”

I could do that blindfold with my hands tied behind my back and I’d enjoy it.

Healthy fats are high in calories. I’m not disputing a keto diet, what I am disputing is eating vast amounts of foods and then being shocked you’re not losing weight.

For example I’ve never done slimming world and it got brought up the other day and someone said cheese was a free food and you can eat as much as you like. Clearly you can’t be doing this.

If that was directed at me, RB, I’m well aware what carbs are. As I’m sure everyone else here is too.

I think most are too bloody educated about it because everyone has a theory and a method and everyone wants to talk about it all the bloody time, usually whilst eating cake and chuckling about being ‘naughty’.

I’m not in the least educated about weight loss, I don’t want to be, it makes my eyes glaze over. Many people are utterly obsessed, listening to every latest thing even when they directly contradict each other, and it’s never ending.

I am educated about food, however. How to grow it, cook it, enjoy it.

ilive someone got it wrong then. Cheese isn’t free on SW.

Cheese isnt a free food on slimmingworld 🙄

Keto works because you are restricting food groups which puts you into calorie deficit - the only way to lose weight is to be in a calorie deficit!

However, high fat low carb does work if you eat until you are full and only when you are hungry. The high fat foods are filling, so you eat fewer calories.

cardibach agree on the sugar, bearing in mind there's sugar in fruit (fructose) and honey, but adding fat with it is not good either.

“someone said cheese was a free food and you can eat as much as you like. Clearly you can’t be doing this.”

Well no, because it’s not...

SW is a low fat diet

I have been doing calorie counting and low fat dieting for twenty years and have ended up six months after each diet as fatter and fatter.

I finally discovered the Harcombe Diet in February which is high fat low carb and have seen the light. We are indoctrinated into calorie counting and low fat. Actually it's the high sugar content in all these low fat products which feeds the sugar addiction and failure at dieting. Since starting the Harcombe diet in February I have lost four dress sizes, after the first week which is very very hard, it is the easiest diet ever. I spend my life now eating loads of cheese and creamy salad dressings. Delicious , doesn't feel like dieting but I am losing a pound or two every week. So the OP is deluded and indoctrinated.

I'm doing Slimming World. Cheese is what is called a healthy extra. You can have 40grams a day without counting it but only if that is your only dairy. So if you have milk you count the cheese as a 'syn' which has a number of points attached to it and you can only have 15 points per day. Cheese is something like 6 points for 40 grams. It's certainly not free and you're not encouraged to eat as much as you would like. You're taught to weigh or measure certain foods like dairy, sugar based foods, bread etc.,

Jeez I couldn't eat a block of cheese and a couple of bags of nuts in a day!

A lot of keto people are as nuts as next person, it works for some but not others,it's allabout how much you put in to how much you expend with exercise ect.

Dress it up in all these money making diet plans,for most it's that simple (I'm not including people who can't due to illness, medication ect).

They all have their advantages and disadvantages, but they all require more willpower than most people have got.
What King said.

I have always been thin but have no patience when people equate being thin with having more willpower. Absolute bollocks. Must be soul sucking to have to watch what you eat every day, feel you're missing out, not see rapid results and then, when you do have a less-than-perfect day, have to feel guilty in order to reinforce that emotional imperative needed in dieting (hope that doesn't sound patronising - just speaking from my own perspective, where I hate the idea of having to monitor everything I eat).
All the more reason in my humble opinion to be v. strict with healthy eating when kids are young and you're in charge of forming their habits - that way when they're older they don't need to rely so much on a constant supply of willpower but can kick back and let good habits/a trained appetite do a lot of the work for them (again not saying this works for everyone - clearly there are cases such as binge eating disorder or emotional eating to which this isn't relevant).

It's all about calories in Vs out.

Does it really matter?

Maybe they're confused or lying about what they eat.

Maybe they're lying about the weight loss.

Maybe you're confused about these things.

Given they're not you, why do you care?

dairymilk but those foods aren't healthy, lots of cheese and cream? I mean bad for your heart etc. Do you exercise too?

not look up low carb high fat diet. Or Michael Moseley Blood Sugar Diet. Or Banting Diet.

The premise is, humans didn't really eat carbs for thousands of years, and have got extremely fat since introducing them into their diet.

“Jeez I couldn't eat a block of cheese and a couple of bags of nuts in a day!”

I’ve been up since 5.30... that’s only like 4 cubes of cheese and 10 cashew nuts every hour

I mean I’d be sick of cheese and cashew nuts, but I’d not be actually full, so if that’s all that there was...

"Only way to lose weight is to be in a calorie deficit"

^This. Just cutting down will keep you at your current weight and stop you gaining, but if you want to loose, you need to be doing at least some basic exercise too?

The premise is, humans didn't really eat carbs for thousands of years, and have got extremely fat since introducing them into their diet.*

Absolutely load of rubbish, people all over the world are differing diets due to environment they were in, some ate carbs some didn't as much. Also a lot of these people lived to 35.

Cutting out a food group without preparation is detrimental to your health.

Lots of diets don't count calories, but they work for some people. I have many friends who've lost a lot of weight on slimming world but it doesn't work for me. Weightwatchers is too restrictive for me, yet I've had friends it's worked for. I don't fancy the Keto diet. What does work for me is counting fat/carbs and protein in a day and cutting out sugar. It's opened my eyes to weighloss and I feel fab. Everyone's different and what works for one person maybe doesn't suit another.

So the OP is deluded and indoctrinated.

Excuse me? I never fucking said low carb doesn’t work.

I didn’t want to post the exact comment I’m referring to as it’s outting for that person. But what she described was eating as much as you want of not healthy fats.

Eating an abundance of any calories on any diet won’t see you get results.

She was shocked when she from eating a large amount of food to then eating a vlcd that she saw results.

Eating high fat (of all types) is not good for you. A friend who is a dietitian said to me that while people lose weight lowering their carbs, this is not sustainable over time. The way to lose weight long term is to lower meat/fat. Americans tend to eat low carb diets and they have the highest incidence in the western world of diabetes.

It is fundamentally not about eat less move more. It is not about a calorific approach to weight loss.

Read The Obesity Code - very interesting and eye-opening!