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*WOMEN!!* Stop talking, you're not allowed.....

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SuitedandBooted · 19/07/2018 10:18

womansplaceuk.org/turning-the-tide-brighton-16th-july-2018/

For those who missed it;
Yet AGAIN, more intimidation of women, who wanted to hold a LEGAL meeting, and discuss their LEGAL rights.

Turning the Tide: Brighton 16th July 2018

On Monday 16th July, Woman’s Place UK held a meeting in Brighton

The meeting was organised in response to a request by local women, as has been the case with all our meetings.

There was a lot of interest in this meeting with 190 tickets booked. The meeting was clearly welcomed by a significant number of local residents. It is also worth noting that Brighton Pavilion has the highest number of signatures to the parliamentary petition ‘To consult with women on proposals to enshrine ‘gender identity’ in law’

When the booking was made with Friends Meeting House Brighton, local organisers discussed in detail the nature of the meeting and that previous meetings had been protested. Despite this, the venue was happy to go ahead and accommodate our meeting.

We usually organise our meetings for mid or late week as these days are generally better for those who wish to attend. It was the suggestion of the FMH Brighton that we schedule the meeting for a Monday evening as the venue is usually closed and no other users would be inconvenienced or harassed by any protests as had happened in Oxford.

A July date was chosen to fit in with the schedule of other meetings being arranged and with the availability of local organisers before the summer break. Woman’s Place UK only learnt about Trans-Pride events the week before the meeting and the scheduling was entirely coincidental.

After lobbying by individuals (see previous statement), FMH Brighton cancelled our booking with only 5 days’ notice giving us no opportunity to address concerns that had been raised or to meet with them. We are still unclear how someone outside WPUK knew of our booking and we are investigating this.

We had sold over 150 tickets by that point and needed to find an alternative venue, which we did.

Local organisers made, and paid for, a booking at two other venues. Both were fully briefed about the nature of the meeting. One of the organisers went in to Jury’s Inn and met with staff. She explained what the meeting was about, took some written information and materials from the campaign. She explained that previous meetings had been protested and that a security team had been employed. We made every effort to ensure that the staff at Jury’s Inn were fully aware of the meeting content and possible protest. They were happy to go ahead.

Because of the high level of threat, we announced the venue much later than usual with ticket holders receiving details of the venue from 5.30pm onwards. We did this to try and reduce the amount of harassment for the venue and for our attendees. An agreement not to publicise or share the venue is part of the terms and conditions of ticket purchase.

Despite this, in breach of the conditions of purchase and with little regard for the safety of or rights of attendees or workers, some ticket holders leaked the venue on social media.

On the evening of the meeting, large noisy protests were set up at both entrances to the hotel. Police were in attendance. After the meeting had started, the hotel management approached us and said they wanted to cancel the meeting. They also said the hotel was being inundated with abusive phone calls which were upsetting the staff.

We were very concerned for the safety of our attendees if they had to leave and we felt aggrieved that a booking made in honesty and good faith was now under threat because of a protest. We persuaded them that the best option was to let the meeting continue. We agreed to finish early and discussed how to enable attendees at the meeting to exit the building safely through a range of different exits.

During this conversation, a representative of the protest came up to the manager and said they would finish their protest at 9.30pm.

The meeting went ahead and was concluded early at 9.15 as promised to the hotel management. Many women were afraid to leave through the main exits and we had to escort several of them out through the car park and side exits. Some women went to the bar hoping the protest would disperse and they could leave later without fear.

Despite the meeting ending at 9.15pm, the protests continued until at least 10.30pm causing great, and unnecessary, convenience to hotel guests. Several came down to complain about the noise.

We truly regret the inconvenience caused to those guests but we were not responsible for it. We are sickened by the abuse and harassment the hotel staff faced for honouring a booking made by a group of women for a legitimate meeting on rights they hold in law.

We would like to thank all the brave people who attended the meeting on Monday, all our speakers and the local organisers who persisted in asserting their right to meet and discuss issues of concern to them in the face of abuse, harassment, intimidation and threat.

The recently announced consultation on reform of Gender Recognition Act has stated the need to engage with all perspectives and yet, once again, we have seen how women face intimidation when meeting to discuss this issue. Councils, universities and other civic institutions have a duty to uphold democracy and provide venues where women’s voices can be heard. We call on them now to do so and facilitate this debate

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mikeyssister · 19/07/2018 12:04

TG I live in Ireland. This is gone beyond a joke. Legitimate debate should continue.

MadCap · 19/07/2018 12:10

Under his eye.

But in all honesty, solidarity to you and I admire your bravery.

SuitedandBooted · 19/07/2018 12:50

bump

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Emerencealwayshopeful · 19/07/2018 12:58

Women who talk to other women are a threat to men.

That’s the gist of it, isn’t it?

Note that while men might feel threatened by women talking I’m over here looking at terrifying stats about strangulation attempts and how often men who strangle partners go on to kill them. And hearing of fears that it might be an overreach of government power to refuse gun licenses to any men with convictions for violence against women.

But women talking - that’s what will destroy civilisation.

CoalTit · 19/07/2018 13:04

This is so scary

GabriellaMontez · 19/07/2018 13:07

Stunning

SuitedandBooted · 19/07/2018 13:37

And all in the centenary of the 1918 suffrage act.

Women are clearly getting too many rights now, time to rein us in....

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pachyderm · 19/07/2018 13:45

@mikeyssister have you not seen the infamous UK Terfs Out letter by "feminist group" Feminist Ire, telling gender critical feminists they aren't welcome? Or the fact that the GRA review this week is full steam ahead for transing underage kids?

We are much further down the rabbithole of insanity. Angry

wellBeehivedWoman · 19/07/2018 13:51

Protests are a) a legitimate expression of a thriving democracy and b) supposed to be disruptive.

I don't agree with abusive phonecalls being made to staff and I hope that is investigated appropriately and the perpetrators dealt with. But I don't have any issue with protests and I don't believe that those whose safety and wellbeing is threatened should be expected to sit quietly while others hold meetings about how to better oppress them.

wellBeehivedWoman · 19/07/2018 13:53

And I see you complaining about protestors and talking about suffrage in the same breath. You wouldn't have a vote if the suffragettes hadnt fought tirelessly, aggressively and threateningly for the rights of women. Or have you forgotten 'bombs next'?

20pencepiece · 19/07/2018 13:54

10th post in.........there's always one!!

scortja · 19/07/2018 13:55

Et tu, Quakers?

toooldforthisshirt37 · 19/07/2018 14:23

wellbehivedwoman Really?

Women meeting to discuss women's rights is oppressive? To whom exactly??

And what were these 190 women at the meeting oppressively plotting to do?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 19/07/2018 16:24

Women talking about women's rights? You do realise we're not permitted to do that, don't you? Free speech for mere females? Shameful. We gotta get back in the kitchen, ladies.

Noqont · 19/07/2018 16:28

be expected to sit quietly while others hold meetings about how to better oppress them.

Crikey. Do you live under a rock? Its not trans activists that are being oppressed here.

WeAreGerbil · 19/07/2018 16:31

And women who have suffered male violence who perhaps most need women-only space are likely to be most discouraged to attend these meetings because of the threat of more violence.

IJustHadToNameChange · 19/07/2018 16:36

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CigarsofthePharoahs · 19/07/2018 16:37

I have no interest in "oppressing" anyone who is trans. You can dress how you like, change your name to whatever you like, I don't mind. I also believe you should not be discriminated against if you choose to go against gender norms.
However, this should not come at the expense of women's rights and for goodness sake leave the kids alone.
Women have the right to meet together to discuss how potential changes in the law will affect their rights. They're not oppressing anyone. They're not denying anyone's existence.
So why are they so hated?

Tanith · 19/07/2018 16:37

“Protests are a) a legitimate expression of a thriving democracy and b) supposed to be disruptive.“

Indeed! Rather like the Lesbians protest at this year’s Pride, don’t you think?
Strangely enough, there is a lot of fury directed at those lesbians exercising their peaceful right to protest. I’ve even read demands that the Pride march should have trampled right over them, kicking them as they went.

ADastardlyThing · 19/07/2018 16:41

"i don't believe that those whose safety and wellbeing is threatened should be expected to sit quietly while others hold meetings about how to better oppress them."

Tbf I don't think TRAs hold actual meetings

mikeyssister · 19/07/2018 16:46

@pachyderm no I haven't. Any links?

pachyderm · 19/07/2018 17:52

@mikessister

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3147503-Letter-from-Irish-feminists-to-British-Terfs

The Repeal the 8th movement was utterly hijacked by transactivists. If that meeting had happened, I have no doubt there would've been violence.

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/restrictions-on-children-changing-their-gender-to-be-lifted-1.3568384

Too late for us, our GRA was enacted in 2015 and it's not enough, they're after the kids now. There has been virtually no debate or discussion. It's shocking.

pachyderm · 19/07/2018 17:53

Sorry I mean @mikeyssister above.

DontDribbleOnTheCarpet · 19/07/2018 18:01

Peaceful protest is fine and healthy. Nobody has sought to stop that (or at least only people seeking to silence women have). But we aren't talking about peaceful protest at all. The problem isn't protest, it's violence, intimidation and bullying. Nobody has the right to those.

RememberMyNames · 19/07/2018 18:06

Hyperbole klaxon

  • the meeting took place and no one was prevented from speaking. Notes from speeches are availabile online, along with accounts from people who attended, and videos of the talks will be on YouTube, and there is a big thread on the feminist chat board here going over what was said at the meeting and sharing thoughts and opinions about it

Hard to quantify that as being silenced or not allowed to talk. And it's some women, not WOMEN!!

  • protest was described as peaceful if noisy, though I gather there was an arrest of a meeting attendee who was aggressive - not totally sure about that bit through.
  • being mean to hotel staff is just not OK and I hope the hotel follow it up with police and it's investigated if there was harassment
  • protest is a valid thing to do. Picketing meetings is in the great tradition of democracy. The Pride protest is thoroughly lauded on the feminist board, and that affected thousands and thousands of people and a major event, not one small meeting. You can't have it both ways.
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