I like Jordan Peterson AIBU?

[NeatFreakMama]

With his rise to fame recently it seems like Jordan Peterson is everywhere. Personally I really enjoyed his book and I find his lectures fascinating largely, I think for me, because he's a great orator.

I know he has his detractors and I'd be really interested to hear their opinions on him. I don't really see much not to like about his rhetoric; it feels like he tends to speak mostly on universal truths but just in a really engaging way?

if you conceive yourself as failed by an entity external to you

Is this what psychologist would call having an "external locus of control"?
Seeing yourself purely as "effect" and the world around you as "cause"?

To set your own house in order means to deal with your own affairs rather than blaming others, capitalism, patriarchy etc, for your woes

Absolutely. It means stop playing the victim and take some responsibility.

‘Set your own house in order’ is very much conservative ideology if we look beyond it being about individuals or houses.

i.e. perhaps we should be looking at what might be wrong with capitalism, the patriarchy etc. Nice try with naming those as discourses of victimhood.

Set your own house in order before criticising the world

I think the key word is before...

No need for passive aggressive bold and italics, I can read.

The underlying philosophy of the idea is what is wrong here. Nobody is saying that attention to the self is a bad idea, but as a philosophy it suggests a deferral of looking at what might be wrong with the world and how that is impacting upon the self, in favour of the conservative approach. It’s a philosophy, so we should talk about it as such. Or are you suggesting that we take it literally?

His book for life: He helped me through an awful time

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Yes, personally I do think we should take literally. For me this is a restatement of Viktor Frankl's key massage in "Man's search for meaning". We may not always be able to choose, change or control events or circumstances. But we can choose our response.

Finding things to "blame" does indeed require you to see yourself as a victim.

I agree FrancinePefko42

Developing the self for the good of the collective instead of for ones own personal gain.

As Ottaturk suggests, this is self help guides. It is not a reasoned political philosophy that enables us to understand the compkexity of our world. It is fortune cookie stuff.

Him and Elon Musk and any other stupid large male ego individualist Bond villain pretenders can get in the fucking sea as far as I'm concerned.

I don't think he and Elon Musk are in the same ball park at all.

Overall I like him.

The term enforced monogamy sounds scary; what he means is marriage. I think it's an idea worth considering.

As a feminist, it matters to me that male suicide rates are so high compared to female. Why does this happen? How can we repair this? I think JP is an important part of this conversation.

I wonder if he could play a role in reducing US school shootings specifically. He has lots of experience of students and his work provides valuable insight into why these atrocities might occur. I think we can all agree guns aren't going anywhere soon in the US. What else can be done?

I do cringe at times when he gives anecdotes about childrearing and motherhood. His small town bumpkin attitude shows then.