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Has Trump Turned Traitor? Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 17/07/2018 11:24

The Trump-Putin Summit in Helsinki, coming so soon after Trump’s ally-crumbling display in Britain and at the EU, is still sinking in. Let’s just say: he’s in all kinds of shit. All the kompromat.

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ohmymimi · 18/07/2018 22:14

"At least five prosecutors from Mueller's office and two attorneys representing Andrew Miller, a former Roger Stone associate, spent almost 90 minutes in a sealed court proceeding before Chief Judge Beryl Howell of the DC District Court Wednesday morning."
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/18/politics/robert-mueller-roger-stone-development/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 18/07/2018 22:17

'German foreign minister unconvinced by Trump about-turn'
www.apnews.com/amp/6c3cab980f0a4605a98390863f0cb2b7?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 18/07/2018 22:36

Matthew Yglesias
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It’s weird that Donald Trump had a long private meeting with Vladimir Putin and suddenly emerged with a newfound interest in undermining US security guarantees to Montenegro.
Ben Adler
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"Montenegro says a group of Serb and Russian nationalists had a plan to attack state institutions on the day of an election last year and kill then-Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic," (link: www.reuters.com/article/us-montenegro-election-trial/montenegro-begins-trial-of-alleged-pro-russian-coup-plotters-idUSKBN1A413F) reuters.com/article/us-mon…
mobile.twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1019588380940697600
'Montenegro begins trial of alleged pro-Russian coup plotters'
mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1A413F?__twitter_impression=true

AcrossthePond55 · 18/07/2018 22:46

"ohmy" is right mimi!!

I just knew there was some funny business regarding Montenegro!!!

AcrossthePond55 · 19/07/2018 03:09

Per NYT via MSNBC: Trump was informed and saw evidence that Putin personally ordered 2016 election interference before his inauguration. He was advised by govt officials on 6 Jan 2017.

Please let this be the rope that hangs him. He has repeatedly denied knowing anything 'for sure' about the hacking.

Roussette · 19/07/2018 07:07

I've no doubt Montenegro was mentioned in his 'secret' meeting. Talk about toddler in chief... he can't keep his mouth shut and obviously Putin brought it up because it's another country he wants to grab. And their election was hacked by Russia too

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/19/very-aggressive-trump-suggests-montenegro-could-cause-world-war-three

The lovely clip of Trump shoving the Montenegro PM to one side is in that article

Roussette · 19/07/2018 07:14

Can this be true????

Vivian Salama

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The White House is reviewing a request by Putin to allow Russian investigators to question a number of Americans they say are implicated in criminal activity there, including a former US ambassador. The news has prompted alarm among former diplomats.

annandale · 19/07/2018 07:18

Roussette I saw that - Pugin offered to let some Russians implicated in the election meddling be interviewed by US officials if his bunch can interrogate known critics of his regime. Incredible shock that it seems to be being considered.

Roussette · 19/07/2018 07:34

He is deranged to even think about letting Putin in on this one.

'The State Department on Wednesday labeled allegations made by Russian President Vladimir Putin against Americans earlier this week "absolutely absurd," but stopped short of saying the United States would refuse to assist Russian efforts to question individuals in the U.S.'

And SHuckabee did not rule it out at the Presser yesterday. She said Trumper was considering some sort of 'swap'
Shock

I keep hearing the word 'misspoke'. It gives me the rage.

Lweji · 19/07/2018 07:47

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Who among us hasn't not used accidentally on purpose what wasn't not surely unlikely to be perhaps certainly correctly misconstrued language that didn't sound incorrect until we misread the transcript? #doublenegative

July 17, 2018

And other double negative misspoken tweets:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/19/would-or-wouldnt-how-trumps-claim-he-misspoke-unleashed-a-meme-fest?CMP=fb_gu

BolleauxtoBankers · 19/07/2018 08:06

Ryan Knight
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DISTURBING: Trump ending requirement for nonprofits to disclose large donors.

MORE DISTURBING: This comes on heels of the NRA being investigated for funneling $30M from Russia to Trump’s campaign.

MOST DISTURBING: The NRA, the Kremlin and the GOP are the new AXIS OF EVIL.
6:21 PM - 18 Jul 2018

I think you'd all probably already reached this conclusion.

Across - I'm afraid we can't forget that this is the guy who doubtless was right when he said would get away with it if he killed a (black) man on Fifth Avenue in broad daylight with hundreds of witnesses. There will never be enough rope.

Lweji · 19/07/2018 08:08

We may well end up with US political refugees.
Confused

He really doesn't have a shred of clue or he's really under Putin's thumb.
And Congress still enables.

BolleauxtoBankers · 19/07/2018 08:11

Who remembers the M&S prawn sandwich debacle?

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TheClaws · 19/07/2018 08:16

A very good chance - terrifying to think about.

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And we now live in a world where there’s a chance Trump may have revealed these intel sources to Putin, personally, behind closed doors nyti.ms/2LyhO1C?smid=nytcore-ios-share

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ohmymimi · 19/07/2018 08:23

Montenegro : I have to admit to feeling more than a bit dim at not seeing sooner the one to one meeting connection re that Carlson/ Oaf convo, Across. Carlson seemed to bring it up first in the clip I saw. But, of course, the Oaf was primed by Vlad.

ohmymimi · 19/07/2018 08:31

I'm sure he's let something drop Claws. He couldn't restrain himself from showing off to Lavrov and Kislyak in an Oval Office meeting, lord knows what he has disclosed playing the big 🍌with Vlad.

ohmymimi · 19/07/2018 08:48

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The evidence included texts and emails from Russian military officers and information gleaned from a top-secret source close to Mr. Putin, who had described to the C.I.A. how the Kremlin decided to execute its campaign of hacking and disinformation.
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html#click=t.co/mRLwDluWfi" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html#click=t.co/mRLwDluWfi
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ohmymimi · 19/07/2018 08:53

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The White House is reviewing a request by Putin to allow Russian investigators to question a number of Americans they say are implicated in criminal activity there, including a former US ambassador. The news has prompted alarm among former diplomats.
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-weighing-allowing-russian-officials-to-question-ex-u-s-ambassador-1531952371?redirect=amp#click=t.co/21yMIAM9EP" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-weighing-allowing-russian-officials-to-question-ex-u-s-ambassador-1531952371?redirect=amp#click=t.co/21yMIAM9EP
mobile.twitter.com/vmsalama/status/1019710070605668353

ohmymimi · 19/07/2018 09:06

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Yikes. I assume the IC would’ve asked the NYT to hold off on this detail if it could put the person at risk, but still...yikes. link: www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/world/europe/trump-intelligence-russian-election-meddling-.html nytimes.com/2018/07/18/wor…
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