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At ex pat neighbour and NHS use

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woolythoughts · 10/07/2018 14:17

Neighbour emigrated to Thailand about 30 years ago. We kept in touch with him over the years. Whilst his mother was still alive, they came back twice a year and made sure that they did opticians and various other routine things whilst here.

He now rents his mothers old house out to tenants.

He’s now been diagnosed with cancer and is currently making travel arrangements to return to the UK, evict his tenants and get cancer treatment on the NHS as decent treatment is too expensive for him to pay for where he is.

He’s paid nothing into the country for the last 30 years so how can it be right he’s able to do this?

And before anyone asks, yes I am 100% sure of my facts.

OP posts:
Thiswayorthatway · 10/07/2018 16:39

He doesn't have to pay tax on rental income as a non-UK resident landlord

BookWitch · 10/07/2018 16:41

I lived abroad for 14 years (outside the EU) and was not entitled to NHS during that time (even though we were paying tax on the rental of our property)

I moved back to the UK on Sunday (currently in temp accomodation) and will register with a GP etc once we are in our house (around Mid-august)
I hope if I am hit by car in the interim, the NHS will look after me, but I do have insurance cover if it is a problem.
For all its problems, I am very very grateful to be back in the UK where if you need it, care will be given and the questions asked later.
Where I lived previously, when my dd was attacked by a dog and was bleeding profusely from her head, my credit card was taken before she was triaged.

CtrlCandCtrlV · 10/07/2018 16:59

It is a VERY slippery slope if you do down the path of only those who pay in deserve to get out.

I don't think people realise how slippery. First you refuse treatments to those who don't contribute, then to those who don't contribute enough, and set up a life cap on costs and so on.

samG76 · 10/07/2018 16:59

Thisway - as I understand it, rental to non-resident landlords is paid under deduction in any event (eg they only receive £80 out of every £100), unless the landlord can demonstrate they account for the tax. So seems quite likely that the tax is being paid. if he is below the threshold, then he is just poor. It seems U for OP to criticise him for this.

Xenia · 10/07/2018 17:05

He earns under the tax threshold in the Uk even if he were subject to UK tax. There are unfairnesses out there. I work full time and pay a lot of tax and have had 10 minutes a thte GP{ in the last 12 years so not exactly a heavy user! My tax seems to go up and up from direct tax to today a huge lot of insurance premium tax and much else and couple that with the fact most people say - ah self employed, pay not tax, dirty tax evader it is pretty awful in the Uk at the moment to pay a heap of tax when a lot of mothers seem to choose to work very few hours and get almost as much back. Very haerd to make systems fair.

May be those of us who are just about never ill mostly because we don't drink smoke eat junk food and aren't over weight should get say 50% of our tax back each year?

hellokittymania · 10/07/2018 17:06

Cand very, very true. The more vulnerable groups who cannot pay into the system really need it. So people need to think really hard about what they may be wishing for.

FreudRogersBeck · 10/07/2018 17:10

If he's a landlord, regardless of his own residency status, he will be paying taxes in the UK.

He has cancer and you're more concerned with his use of the NHS?

Look at the way it's run by the government and the tax breaks for multimillion companies and get angry about that. At least it's deserved.

hellokittymania · 10/07/2018 17:10

There are people who don't smoke, drink, or eat junk food who get it all quite a lot you do realize?

Ta1kinPeace · 10/07/2018 17:18

So, the guy rents out his mother's house
chances are he has a UK agent to handle everything for him
and it will be mortgage free because he inherited it

Unless he is renting it out for more that £1400 a month
he has no tax to pay

Motheroffourdragons · 10/07/2018 17:41

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Moknicker · 10/07/2018 17:45

Such a sad and petty post.

midnightmisssuki · 10/07/2018 17:47

Call the police on him OP. Report what he’s about to do. How very dare he! I mean only cancer?! How bloody dare he. Hopefully the revoke any residential visa he has and bans him from the UK forever. What a scoundrel- using the healthcare here! Who cares if he’s only trying to save his life, it’s cancer, a walk in the park really. Hmm

While your dialling the police, please also find someone to help find your empathy, seems to be missing. HTH.

BoldKitties · 10/07/2018 18:49

May be those of us who are just about never ill mostly because we don't drink smoke eat junk food and aren't over weight should get say 50% of our tax back each year?

Yes yes, you're perfection personified. You should absolutely get 50% of your tax back for being such a perfect person (who has never had the bad luck to suffer from a serious illness, clearly).

This can't be serious?

Maria1982 · 10/07/2018 18:53

Well I don’t drink, smoke or eat junk food.
Unfortunately my genes have dictated that I be ill at times anyway!

ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen · 10/07/2018 18:55

So your neighbour - who is British and may well have been paying UK tax for the last 39 years for all you know since you're not his accountant - has cancer and you're more interested in trying to shop him for using the NHS.

Smh.

Ta1kinPeace · 10/07/2018 19:04

Boldkitties
Xenia was joking. Its hard to tell sometimes, but she was. Smile

flopsyrabbit1 · 10/07/2018 19:11

Xenia joking,was she Hmm

whywhywhywhywhyyy · 10/07/2018 19:13

OP, you're getting it rough here. It is cheeky, you're right, but at the same time I can't blame the guy. Free treatment is on offer, of course he's going to take it.

I feel sorry for his poor tenants though.

WittyJack · 10/07/2018 19:14

You seem to know an awful lot about his personal circumstances for someone you haven’t lived next door to for 30 years, OP.

Almost as if you just wanted to stir up froth about people who deserve to use the NHS?!

RebelRogue · 10/07/2018 19:32

He's dying. He doesn't want to die. The NHS could save him. It's that simple even if he is the cheekiest fucker alive.

Bluelady · 10/07/2018 19:52

Tell you what, OP, I haven't used NHS services since 2011 so he can have my share from the past seven years to pay for his cancer treatment. Does that make your mean spirited, uncharitable little soul feel a bit better?

chrissie28 · 10/07/2018 20:20

The country is in a total mess - it's simple accounting - if people don't pay in and continually take out eventually there will be nothing in the bank. We have elderly people in this country who have paid into the system for decades and can't get the care they need. Charity begins at home

Ta1kinPeace · 10/07/2018 20:27

We have elderly people in this country who have paid into the system for decades and can't get the care they need.
And we have millions and millions of elderly who have paid little in by way of tax and NI but are taking bucket loads out because they are living long and ill.

Councils spend up to £100,000 per person per year on OAP nursing care
how many of those OAPs ever paid anything like that amount into the system?

Bluelady · 10/07/2018 20:32

Councils don't pay anything like that amount. The most expensive gold plated privately funded care home in the land costs a maximum of £75k. The poor buggers who are council funded cost roughly £25k a year at most.

Ta1kinPeace · 10/07/2018 20:37

Councils don't pay anything like that amount.
Funny,
according to the presentation by the head of adult social care in my county the total cost of care packages - because its the healthcare cost and dementia services that come under the council as well - there are many, many patients in our county alone costing that much.

Full security dementia care is over £2000 a week including nursing

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