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IgamOgamJones · 07/07/2018 15:17

I received a letter from my doctor's surgery about cervical smears. I don't want one. I'm 50 and don't want any more, I've done what they said for my entire adult life re getting a cervical smear and I've had enough thank you NHS, no need to spend precious funds on that ok? NO, not ok. The letter says that if I do not wish to have these tests I am required to ring my doctor and then after that if I STILL don't want the bloody thing shoved up me and my cervix scraped then I am required to ring another bloody number! FFS! I don't want my cervix scraped any more and I don't want to listen to a well meaning doctor explain to me that I have no idea about my health so isn't it better to be safe rather than sorry...now, knickers off and open your legs so I can shove this thing up you AGAIN. Am I overreacting, I don't bloody think so!

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Gronky · 07/07/2018 23:10

@AmberB22 think of cancer as rolling several dice and cancer being coming up with all 1's, the more times you roll, the greater the chance of eventually reaching this combination. Evey time a cell divides there is a risk of it becoming cancerous and less differentiated cells (like those that eventually go on to become the outer membrane of the cervix) are also at greater risk. For this reason, the rate of cervical cancer in those under 25 in the absence of HPV is very low since fewer divisions have taken place.

Smears aren't that bad in the sense that they're very unlikely to cause physical damage but they can be a bit uncomfortable and the level of discomfort differs for each person. If you're concerned, your local healthcare provider should be more than happy to discuss your concerns before the smear.

@Writersblock2 I'm having a hard time seeing why complications associated with post-screening treatment would be a reason not to get screened in the first place. In the event that abnormalities are detected, further information will always be provided (informed consent) prior to any treatment taking place.

Regarding women getting defensive over the issue, I would attribute it to the people who are against screening potentially harming others by encouraging them to not get screened. I ignored my first letter but, after being strongly advised regarding the issue, did the research and got checked at the next opportunity. Finally, regarding Angela Raffle's paper, a much more recent paper in the Lancet (Prediction of cervical cancer incidence in England, UK, up to 2040, under four scenarios: a modelling study) predicted a worrying increase in cervical cancer rates by 2040 if screening rates fall. This is likely attributable to the widespread HPV vaccine uptake pushing back the peak age of cervical cancer incidence, causing complacency through a fall in cases in those in their 20s.

Sorry to be so wordy but it's a large issue that's hard to sum up concisely.

FlyingMonkeys · 07/07/2018 23:13

This thread scares the shit out of me - there may be under 25 women reading it who are now terrified of smears. Believing they will be chased through doctors offices and near enough forcibly pined to examination beds... Well done the naysayers. Well done!

WineIsMyMainVice · 07/07/2018 23:19

Personally I think that if you opt out of this, then you should also opt out of any nhs treatment if you get cervical cancer - which obviously I hope you don’t!

twattymctwatterson · 07/07/2018 23:23

This is batshit. How can you "know your own body" enough to just know whether you have pre-cancerous cells? This is a test that has saved thousands of lives. Your GP doesn't want you to die? What a cunt they must be!

FlyingMonkeys · 07/07/2018 23:47

Yes - because we all live in a world where nobody is sexually active until they get married, no one has more than one sexual partner, and women all get a hysterectomy. Plus nobody develops cancerous cells regardless, men don't also develop breast and prostate cancerous cells, and GP'S should stop all cancer tests and screening because a minority don't like getting an invitation letter in the post. Wtf!

Daxter · 07/07/2018 23:57

Not stop screening. Stop the harassment of women who've made it clear that they don't want a smear. It's not compulsory to try to push your patients into screenings that they don't want. The GP practice that I go to doesn't do it.

I don't know if it's changed since I opted out but if it hasn't, I'd also like to see the opt out information included in the literature that they send. It's bullshit that they don't make it clear you don't have to receive the reminders and it's a stupid waste of money to be sending them to people who don't want them.

Clubcuts · 08/07/2018 01:23

@Gronky fabulous post!

Floradoranora · 08/07/2018 01:29

I think it would be healthier for you emotionally and physically if you spoke to your GP about this rather than start a thread here.

As for shoving this thing up you 🙄

nokidshere · 08/07/2018 02:07

*They dont do this to men for any kind of cancer do they

Yes they do. It just starts later. Since dh turned 60 he has regular letters for prostrate checks, bowel cancer checks and abdominal aorta aneurism checks.

He's also had glaucoma testing, cholesterol, full bloods and a well man check

Sandinyourshoes · 08/07/2018 02:43

Off topic but do not bin the invitation letters, shred them. They contain personal details that could be used for fraud. Mine have arrived with the envelope flap hanging open, so my name address and NHS ID number (CHI number) which contains my date of birth were not secure.
Every time I get a letter or reminder, an expensive looking booklet printed on thick white paper is enclosed which seems a tad extravagant considering the very crappy paper normally used for NHS correspondence.

FlyingMonkeys · 08/07/2018 03:52

It's all a load of bollocks regardless.. OP can let her cervix fester as much as she likes, and we'll all not pay for her unwanted test.

FlyingMonkeys · 08/07/2018 04:05

And they do say that if we all live long enough everyone eventually develops cancer cells... well done for not getting there OP and swearing at your demographically posted mail ... we'll see you in 10yrs when you're 'fucked off you weren't offered enough tests!'. Good for you

longwayoff · 08/07/2018 08:20

What next? No climate change? Flat earth? Get a grip refusers. If you want to have a long slow painful death then go ahead and do so without trying to convince the rest of us to join you. Health? Who needs it?

ItsLikeRainOnYourWeddingDay · 08/07/2018 08:42

For women who haven't had a smear and are being petrified by the shit on this thread -

There not my idea of a fun afternoon but they are necessary. It's not painful. More uncomfortable. Embarrassing - yes but it's ten minutes every few years. The nurse looks at vaginas all day. She doesn't care.

If your invited for a screening. Please go. At just 28 my very good friend had cervical cancer. She had no symptoms. If she had no had that smear test I hate to think what would have happened.

UserThenLotsOfNumbers · 08/07/2018 08:43

As a PP said this post may put people off having smear tests.
To those people, don't let it.
The OP may choose to see the testing as some form of patriarchal/political oppression or whatever, that's her choice. It's also her choice to opt out.
I'm having a smear test next Monday.
It's a bit uncomfortable but not painful, and it's only 5 minutes out of your life. There's nothing to be afraid of. The nurses at my surgery are great and put people at ease.
If anything dodgy is detected then it can be treated before it gets nasty.
How lucky we are to have free healthcare screening. I'll gratefully take any screening that's offered to me. Also I have ulcerative colitis so have had worse things put in worse places...

LyndseyKola · 08/07/2018 08:48

The nurse looks at vaginas all day. She doesn't care.

Very true. My last smear was done by a lovely nurse who said that he has done so many of them he barely notices the actual features of someone’s genitals if that makes sense, like whether someone has hair or not. It’s just another vagina, get the procedure done and move on.

He was actually more gentle than most of the women who’ve done smears for me.

BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou · 08/07/2018 09:12

Are you aware men can also develop breast cancer? How many men are routinely offered mammograms?... none. Yes, screening is completely unfair and baised.

Men aren’t routinely offered mammograms...true. Have YOU ever had a a mammogram? Do you know how they are done? There is simply no way most mens’ breast tissue would go in that “sandwich toaster” device. THAT’s why they don't have mammograms!

Topseyt · 08/07/2018 09:25

You are absolutely at liberty to refuse the tests, opt out of the system and take the increased risk of cervical cancer if that is what you wish to do.

I think it would be batshit to do so, but it is your choice.

By asking why men do not have mammograms you are showing complete ignorance about what the test is and how it is conducted. They wouldn't have nearly enough breast tissue to put into the equipment.

On balance, I would save your misplaced "outrage" for something worthy of it.

longwayoff · 08/07/2018 09:36

Mammograms squirm. Bloody uncomfortable. I've had them and have also had breast cancer. Of the two I'll choose the mammogram every time. Thanks to them I've had five extra years to date. Thanks screening and thanks nhs.

lazyminimoo · 08/07/2018 10:43

Iv ignored my recent smear invite will I get another letter asking me to do one , I dont know if I should i hate smear test they are always painful made me bleed last time, she said my cervix or womb looked inflamed but my results were normal

Justtheonequestion · 08/07/2018 10:47

Yes and it will cost the nhs in administrative fees to keep fucking about sending letters.

glintandglide · 08/07/2018 10:49

A tiny number of men get breast cancer before we go all what about the menz

FASH84 · 08/07/2018 10:50

@LighthouseSouth @NotAsGreenAsCabbageLooking
I think they do for prostate now my dad has had his checked recently, no family history or other medical issues , just got a letter telling him to go for a check up including a prostate exam. He also had to price a stool sample for a bowel cancer screen.

I don't understand PPs saying they don't want smears, breast examinations and bowel cancer screens. These are tests that take hardly any time at all, that are free, that could save your life... Surely it's a no-brainer.

FlyingMonkeys · 08/07/2018 11:10

@BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou Yes I have, yes they can, and yes before you ask I'm female - do you not think women with small breasts are also offered mammograms? Or just everyone over a B cup? Men are also offered mammograms if tested for breast cancer (just never routinely offered).

BuggerOffAndGoodDayToYou · 08/07/2018 11:30

do you not think women with small breasts are also offered mammograms?

Oh I know they are offered. I also have a friend who, when she turned up for her first one, ended up not having it. They tried but she had insufficient tissue to get between the plates!

Instead she had a thorough physical exam with the option of an ultrasound if it had been felt necessary.