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...to sit in my garden in peace?

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ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:10

Name change for less potential of outing.

I live in a tenement flat, which for those of you outwith Scotland's central belt (or New York, I think), is a multi (3, sometimes 4)-storied block of flats, normally built from red or blonde sandstone, with a communal entrance. Most date back to Edwardian times in terms of construction, so are between 100-120+ years old.

Tenements have a bit of a bad rep as 'slum housing', but some (including where I live) are very lovely, with beautiful 'closes' (communal entrance corridors), elaborate staircases etc, and the flats themselves are often enormous (sometimes four or five-bedroomed).

Our lovely Edwardian tenement flat, in a lovely area, is very dear to us: it was the first house OH and I bought together (we got lucky, as impoverished entry-level graduates, and lived off beans for about a year to be able to afford it), and we've lived in it for more than 15 years. We love it, and we've worked very hard on it.

A couple of years ago, new neighbours moved into the bottom flat, which is a 'main door', i.e. it has a private front door separate to the close itself (although it's part of the common building).

Seemed nice people - retired professionals (ha, outing my inner snob), moving from the other side of the country to ours to support their family which lives nearby.

For the sake of brevity - I AM SO FCKING DONE WITH THEM. They've taken over over the whole bl*dy place, and I can't get a moment's peace.

One of the key principles of any kind of communal living is a mutual appreciation of each other's personal space, which they (as people who have formerly lived only in detached or terraced housing) just don't seem to get.

Living in a main door flat, they have their own front garden, which, given the time of year and weather we've been having, they're in from about 8am onwards. Now, I can't say I blame them: if I was retired and had my own space, I'd be using it as much as possible in the lovely weather, too.

However, every move invites comment:

8am - 'Oooh, is that you off to work then?' (No, I'm off to throw myself off a bridge, but I thought I'd dress up a bit, just to show the paramedics who dredged my sodden corpse out of the river a bit of respect, you know how it is)

6.30pm - 'Ooooh, you home from work, then?' (No, the paramedics got there too soon.)

(going to the bottle bank) - 'That's a lot of bottles, you got a bit of a problem there, eh? Wink wink nudge nudge!'

(parking my car, which is a bit of banger, anywhere near their shiny Audi tank) - 'Careful with that thing, can't afford to replace ours!'

...ad infinitum.

JESUS ACTUAL CHRIST. LET ME LEAVE AND RETURN TO MY OWN HOME AS AND WHEN I WANT TO. I'M ALMOST 40 YEARS OLD, AND BEING MONITORED LIKE A TEENAGER SNEAKING OFF TO A PARTY REALLY GETS ON MY T*TS.

However, the gist of this, and the basis of my rant, is that I no longer get to sit in the back garden - I know how this sounds, but if you've got this far, bear with me.

Tenements have communal 'back courts' for washing and bins, with some room for a wee lawn and some plants etc, and again, there's a general unspoken agreement that, unless you are all fantastically social, you 'take your turn', whether that's for hanging out washing, sitting out, using space for planting flowers or veg etc.

Anyway, said neighbours (did I mention they actually have their own garden at the front of their house?) have more or less taken this over, installing a deck, all their own plants, garden furniture etc. Admittedly, it's very nice, and it was very nice of them to do so, but nobody asked them to, and crucially, nobody agreed to it.

Their back window overlooks the space, so you can't sit there without somebody shouting down and/or coming out to join you.

As I sit here typing (I'm working from home today and it's hot, so the windows are open), I can hear them having yet ANOTHER f*cking barbecue with their adult children and grandchildren. They basically seem to live outdoors now. If I'm lucky, I might get half an hour in the shade at about 9pm when the sun has passed over.

This is such a ridiculous rant, and I know how many comments I'm going to get about having fundamentally 'nice' neighbours, compared to the horrors that so many endure, but I am SO FRUSTRATED, and short of moving (which, given the amount of time, money and effort we've poured into this house, I really don't want to do), I don't know what to do.

I'm a private and fairly introverted person, and I know that's my 'issue' to deal with, and it shouldn't impact on others. Conversely, I think I should be allowed to be a private, introverted person, within reason, which includes not feeling under siege in my own bl**dy house. I'm quite happy to share pleasantries, and even water plants and feed cats, but there are limits.

All I want to do is occasionally sit in my garden with a glass of wine in peace. Is that BU?

Well done if you've managed to get to the end of this without wanting to remove your own face with your fingernails. Wink

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AlonsoTigerHeart · 04/07/2018 18:13

I have this!
I live in a tiny two up two down terraced house, the housing association only allow low chain link style fence so when i sot out its with six other families!

I wear earphones not plugged in, give them a quick nod tgen ignore them.Grin

NotARegularPenguin · 04/07/2018 18:14

But you could still go and use the back garden? You just don’t want to as they’re out there? I can understand that but surely when you buy a house with a communal garden you realise there’s a risk other people may use it?

NotARegularPenguin · 04/07/2018 18:14

Hesdphones is a good idea. Get out there, minimal answers to any greetings. They’ll get the message.

Racecardriver · 04/07/2018 18:15

Honestly it us miraculous that this system has worked for you (before your inconsiderate neighbours came along if course). Might it be worth trying to catch some of your other neighbours? They are robsbly irritated by it too. Maybe draw up a roster for sharing? Or maybe just introduce rules about not having barbecues/parties in the communal space unless all the neighbours are invited?

Racecardriver · 04/07/2018 18:17

I would also be sorely tempted to borrow a car with really good parking sensors and park an inch away from theirs.

ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:19

@Racecardriver -

I would also be sorely tempted to borrow a car with really good parking sensors and park an inch away from theirs.

This made me laugh! I'll be on the phone to the hire place this weekend, I reckon. Wink

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ReadingRiot · 04/07/2018 18:19

Is it not normal to have a brief and inane "pass the time of day" conversation each time you see a neighbour? They seem perfectly pleasant and polite to me.

Fluffyears · 04/07/2018 18:21

I live in a terrace and next to us is a cf couple. They are in the garden constantly so we get treated to their music choice, at weekend they have 5 children plus partners plus grandkids. It’s bedlam with more music and screaming, shouting, bbqing. I’d love just one quiet weekend to listen to the surroundings.

Racecardriver · 04/07/2018 18:23

@itlooksnice I would reccoment bmw surround sensors (not actually sure what they ate called but my car is about a year old with the parking assist package on it and has them because I really need them to not destroy things). They are really really good.

ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:24

@NotARegularPenguin

surely when you buy a house with a communal garden you realise there’s a risk other people may use it?

Of course, and I completely agree, but the thing is, the 'system' used to work quite well - you say hello when you pass on the stairs, people are aware enough of each other to know if or when help is needed (we have one elderly neighbour who has a mobility disability, so everybody always made sure the front path was gritted and so on), but there was always space - an honour system, if you like.

Now it feels like being pecked to death by a thousand rabid cartoon bluebirds. Wink

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Allthewaves · 04/07/2018 18:24

Noise cancelling headphones

sunshinesupermum · 04/07/2018 18:24

Think you should just go out and sit in the communal back garden with headphones on. Wear headphones when you leave and enter house and just give neighbours a cheery wave.

Life is too fxxxing short OP

Hadalifeonce · 04/07/2018 18:26

Can you sit in their front garden when they are in the communal back garden???????????Wink

ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:28

@ReadingRiot - absolutely, I'm trying very hard not to come across a completely antisocial lunatic here - and I know that's exactly what I sound like! - but it's not just 'inane chat'. It's the constant intrusion and expectation that is tiring.

Were I living in a terrace, I'd pull my big girl pants up and be a bit shorter and more to the point, but in a tenement - where you are literally living on top of one another, and have communal maintenance of an elderly and somewhat eccentric building to deal with, to boot - it's a whole new level of politics.

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KurriKurri · 04/07/2018 18:29

Oh I hear you - I live in a terrace - so have my own garden but my neighbour constantly looks over the wall at me and comments on everything I do. 'What on earth are you up to now?' (when I'm taking my bins out or weeding the garden or some normal activity - like I'm some kind of crazy woman) 'You'll need to use a screwdriver for that '(when I am very obviously putting a screw into my gate using a screwdriver) 'Why are you such an arse?' (to my completely innoffensive little poodle)

I have stoppped going out into the garden until I;ve checked it is all clear, I've also started completely ignoring him unless he says something sensible. I am not at home to Mr. StupidComment any more.

I would do similar with your neighbours - total ignore inanity, a nd maybe talk to other apartment owners about a rota for the garden use.

bluemoonchances · 04/07/2018 18:30

As per PP... just say to them, "as you're using the communal garden for you guests is it ok for me to sit in the front garden?" You would sound perfectly reasonable and polite.

And also, they sound very annoying!!

ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:31

@Hadalifeonce

Can you sit in their front garden when they are in the communal back garden??????????

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KurriKurri · 04/07/2018 18:31

If I go out in my car, when I get back he is there waiting to 'guide me back in' 'Hard right, take her back, forward a bit, HARD LEFT' or similar nonsense when I'm trying to concentrate. Just let me park my fucking car.

Ploppymoodypants · 04/07/2018 18:35

Oh I have this. We have a front garden. So when I sit in it I am in full view of the street. Fine, we knew when we bought it and we are friendly sociable people. Our neighbours are all lovely, we are very lucky. We all spend lots of time outside. We all know to do the courteous wave/smile/ hello and then respect each other’s space etc. There is friendly trading of tomatoes and eggs etc and watering of each other’s gardens or putting bins out for each other when it’s hiliday time.

However just down the Road is a grandad who doesn’t work and has full time Cate if his grandson under the age of two. He is a lovely chap, but oh my goodness, he walks down the road with the child several times a day and if he sees you he comes in the garden and chats, and if he can’t see you buts it’s obvious you are in (car in drive, windows open etc) he will just come on the lawn with his small grandchild and start throwing the ball for the dogs, letting the child go in play house etc. He is generally a nice kind man, from a very different culture who is new to the area. But despite us saying many times that the dog might bite and asking him not to come up to the house as the windows are bedroom ones, and we might be changing or sleeping, he just won’t stop. And we have been pretty direct! 😩

ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:41

@KurriKurri -

If I go out in my car, when I get back he is there waiting to 'guide me back in' 'Hard right, take her back, forward a bit, HARD LEFT' or similar nonsense when I'm trying to concentrate. Just let me park my fucking car.

'Kin' hell, how have you managed to refrain from punching him in the face?

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whatsinthebox · 04/07/2018 18:42

I can relate in some way! It will feel almost like you are living with your neighbours bearing down on you instead of having to only be neighbourly if and when necessary. I live in a similar building to the one you described but without any outdoor space. My downstairs neighbours moved in roughly a year ago and are always sitting in the communal stairway, it's driving me nuts!!!!!! I leave for work in the morning and they are there, I come home from work, they are there, if I leave to go to the shop and manage to avoid seeing them then you can bet your bottom dollar on the return journey they are on the fucking stairs!!!!!! There's 4 of them, all adults and they are driving me nuts! I'm close to throwing sleeping bags at them and telling them they might as well sleep there! Sorry, not meaning to deflect your thread but can feel your pain to an extent Angry

Cheerbear23 · 04/07/2018 18:42

I would be annoyed at the decking, it’s usung shares space and I don’t like it as I think it gets slippy.
I’m not sure you can do anything about them hogging the garden, as it’s shared? As they don’t seem to be abiding by the unwritten rules, you could either group together with other flats and approach them about ‘sharing’, or just sid the ‘sharing’ idea and just join them (with headphones on and a book).

paganmolloy · 04/07/2018 18:42

Oh I hear you and feel your pain. There is a inate knowledge of how to live in tenements but sounds like these folk just don’t get it. I mean they sound lovely and nice but ........ they are not living in a detached house anymore, it’s a tenement. I can’t put it eloquently but I know exactly what you mean. I’ve lived in three tenements, all with their own little quirks. Flowers

PonderLand · 04/07/2018 18:42

If they've got a lot of guests over then they should use their own garden, anybody would feel uncomfortable in that situation. I'm assuming it's tenants only in the communal garden? Fair enough one or two guests but if they're hosting barbecues then they're taking the piss and it stops anybody else from using it. They have their own garden, cheeky fuckers.

I bet due to them being retired they've got used to having the run of the place when everyone's at work and it's slowly become normal for them to take over the space no matter the time of day.

Is there any kind of rules for the building about who can use the communal garden?
I would speak to the cf about it, in a nice way! They'll probably be mortified once they realise.

We live in a terraced house with low fencing at the top of the garden, I walk down to the bottom and sit there where it's completely private. One neighbour leans right over the fence and shouts to me from there, she's poked her head up through an accessible bush on a few occasions. It's never just chit chat, she goes on and on and on about illnesses, council etc. My parents don't walk up my garden if they see her and she's collared them a few times! She's done it with builders, a tree surgeon and two hv. Talking at them for 30 minutes +.

Cheerbear23 · 04/07/2018 18:44

Urgh sorry for my typos! I feel your pain too, we have neighbours who seem to live on their drive which runs parallel to our living room. They have bbq’s and music, whilst all the time ignoring a perfectly good back garden (away from our living room). Goodness knows why.