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...to sit in my garden in peace?

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ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:10

Name change for less potential of outing.

I live in a tenement flat, which for those of you outwith Scotland's central belt (or New York, I think), is a multi (3, sometimes 4)-storied block of flats, normally built from red or blonde sandstone, with a communal entrance. Most date back to Edwardian times in terms of construction, so are between 100-120+ years old.

Tenements have a bit of a bad rep as 'slum housing', but some (including where I live) are very lovely, with beautiful 'closes' (communal entrance corridors), elaborate staircases etc, and the flats themselves are often enormous (sometimes four or five-bedroomed).

Our lovely Edwardian tenement flat, in a lovely area, is very dear to us: it was the first house OH and I bought together (we got lucky, as impoverished entry-level graduates, and lived off beans for about a year to be able to afford it), and we've lived in it for more than 15 years. We love it, and we've worked very hard on it.

A couple of years ago, new neighbours moved into the bottom flat, which is a 'main door', i.e. it has a private front door separate to the close itself (although it's part of the common building).

Seemed nice people - retired professionals (ha, outing my inner snob), moving from the other side of the country to ours to support their family which lives nearby.

For the sake of brevity - I AM SO FCKING DONE WITH THEM. They've taken over over the whole bl*dy place, and I can't get a moment's peace.

One of the key principles of any kind of communal living is a mutual appreciation of each other's personal space, which they (as people who have formerly lived only in detached or terraced housing) just don't seem to get.

Living in a main door flat, they have their own front garden, which, given the time of year and weather we've been having, they're in from about 8am onwards. Now, I can't say I blame them: if I was retired and had my own space, I'd be using it as much as possible in the lovely weather, too.

However, every move invites comment:

8am - 'Oooh, is that you off to work then?' (No, I'm off to throw myself off a bridge, but I thought I'd dress up a bit, just to show the paramedics who dredged my sodden corpse out of the river a bit of respect, you know how it is)

6.30pm - 'Ooooh, you home from work, then?' (No, the paramedics got there too soon.)

(going to the bottle bank) - 'That's a lot of bottles, you got a bit of a problem there, eh? Wink wink nudge nudge!'

(parking my car, which is a bit of banger, anywhere near their shiny Audi tank) - 'Careful with that thing, can't afford to replace ours!'

...ad infinitum.

JESUS ACTUAL CHRIST. LET ME LEAVE AND RETURN TO MY OWN HOME AS AND WHEN I WANT TO. I'M ALMOST 40 YEARS OLD, AND BEING MONITORED LIKE A TEENAGER SNEAKING OFF TO A PARTY REALLY GETS ON MY T*TS.

However, the gist of this, and the basis of my rant, is that I no longer get to sit in the back garden - I know how this sounds, but if you've got this far, bear with me.

Tenements have communal 'back courts' for washing and bins, with some room for a wee lawn and some plants etc, and again, there's a general unspoken agreement that, unless you are all fantastically social, you 'take your turn', whether that's for hanging out washing, sitting out, using space for planting flowers or veg etc.

Anyway, said neighbours (did I mention they actually have their own garden at the front of their house?) have more or less taken this over, installing a deck, all their own plants, garden furniture etc. Admittedly, it's very nice, and it was very nice of them to do so, but nobody asked them to, and crucially, nobody agreed to it.

Their back window overlooks the space, so you can't sit there without somebody shouting down and/or coming out to join you.

As I sit here typing (I'm working from home today and it's hot, so the windows are open), I can hear them having yet ANOTHER f*cking barbecue with their adult children and grandchildren. They basically seem to live outdoors now. If I'm lucky, I might get half an hour in the shade at about 9pm when the sun has passed over.

This is such a ridiculous rant, and I know how many comments I'm going to get about having fundamentally 'nice' neighbours, compared to the horrors that so many endure, but I am SO FRUSTRATED, and short of moving (which, given the amount of time, money and effort we've poured into this house, I really don't want to do), I don't know what to do.

I'm a private and fairly introverted person, and I know that's my 'issue' to deal with, and it shouldn't impact on others. Conversely, I think I should be allowed to be a private, introverted person, within reason, which includes not feeling under siege in my own bl**dy house. I'm quite happy to share pleasantries, and even water plants and feed cats, but there are limits.

All I want to do is occasionally sit in my garden with a glass of wine in peace. Is that BU?

Well done if you've managed to get to the end of this without wanting to remove your own face with your fingernails. Wink

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paganmolloy · 04/07/2018 18:48

And by putting down the decking it’s almost like claiming the area as your own. They really should have consulted everyone in the close. Do you have a factor?

ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:49

I'm assuming it's tenants only in the communal garden?

We're all owner-occupiers, so there aren't 'rules' per se, and technically, everybody has shared equal access.

It is really more an honour system than anything else, so if somebody else broaches it, there's no formal recourse.

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caoraich · 04/07/2018 18:50

Oh god. This.
I know exactly what you mean and (other than the parking) it's possibly the only thing I don't miss about my lovely old Tenement flat in the West End of Glasgow (weeps)

Our issue was not with the overly friendly retirees but with a very crunchy couple who liked to do long sessions of yoga out there in their pants at least twice daily, rain or shine, other people's laundry being hung up notwithstanding. Their friends came too and they smoked endless joints.

We tried the polite thing - could you yoga in your wee private garden? No not enough space. Could we all take turns of the back again? No that's way too rigid, just come join us, you look like you should loosen up!

In the end a couple of the other neighbours wrote a polite note to us all asking if we could revert to the previous system of a day ish each and splitting the time / space on nice days we all want to be out there and asking for us to all meet to come up with a solution.

The only ones not to attend were the crunchies. So we made a majority decision to install gravel paths and flower beds instead of lawn. There was still grass left, just each patch was smaller than the size of a yoga mat Grin

ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:52

@paganmolloy -

We do have a factor, but their role is simply to look after the maintenance of the shared areas of the building - guttering, roofing close cleaning etc - to which everybody contributes.

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BristolThenSome · 04/07/2018 18:54

Add sunglasses to tbe headphones, they'll very quickly stop. Pyscologically It's hard to talk to people if you don't gain their eye contact! So they'd actually either stop or essentially be shouting at you, not talking with you.
Sunglasses, headphones, small smile/nod/wave. Theyll pack it in.

My neighbour gives off a judgy vibe, it's only now theyve got their own kids, theyre getting the jist on how kids act. Having tutted before, now they're kid does the same as mine used to, i just (smugly) ignore. But will be employing my own tactics, sunglasses and headphones, I've not been out recently it burns me to a crisp. But i shall be, in solidarity with you lol

ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 19:01

@caoraich

There was still grass left, just each patch was smaller than the size of a yoga mat

Well played, my friend, well played. Wink

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IdaDown · 04/07/2018 19:03

You need to grown a very thick hide.

Whenever they’re in the garden - so are you.
Take a book, glass (bottle) of wine and earphones and sit in one of their chairs, if there are no others.

Every time.

By being nice about the garden furniture and decking, they are gaining squatters rights. *

  • not actual, but the ‘we’ll make you feel uncomfortable / squeezing you out ones.
Whipsmart · 04/07/2018 19:06

Oh god this is what has given me a pathalogical fear of living anywhere with shared space. I don't think YABU at all, and I'm not sure if I'd recommend just gong out with headphones. Theiy WILL keep talking to you. Maybe get together with other residents and suggest a splitting of time, so you all get a day a week or something?

Cyw2018 · 04/07/2018 19:23

OP I totally understand your need for a rant.

In my last house (mid terrace) I lived next door to a elderly (retired) spinster.

She monitored my every movement, including my shift pattern which varied every 3 months and commented on this. I couldn't use my back garden without getting "talked at" over the fence (I tried headphones but that didn't work). I love gardening but just totally gave up on it. I think my new neighbours think I'm a bit nuts as I'm obsessed with creating privacy in my garden at my new house!!

She would even shout through to me inside my house if I had the back door open.

I'm a fairly private person and by home is my bolt hole, and I found her really intrusive and it ground me down.

ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 19:31

@Cyw2018

I'm a fairly private person and by home is my bolt hole, and I found her really intrusive and it ground me down.

You're right, it feels like being 'ground down', with the amount of headspace required. That's the tiresome bit.

If I'm coming home and they're in the garden, I have to prepare myself for the inevitable 20-minute conversation that will ensue. If I'm hanging washing out, I'm going to be 'cheerily greeted' from the back window (followed by the inevitable 20-minute conversation that will ensue).

If I want to sit outside with a glass of wine, I have to check that they're not there. If I'm going to the shops or popping out to get something from my car and they're in the garden, I have to prepare myself for the inevitable 20-minute conversation that will ensue. If...well, you get the picture.

I would also like to thank everybody for their comments on this post, which I have found EXTREMELY cathartic. Wink

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BogstandardBelle · 04/07/2018 22:55

Hmm... if they are from “the other side of the country” does that mean they are West-coasters? And you’re fae Edinburgh? If that’s the case then I’m afraid it will never work.

In Glasgow and surrounds, it’s dead normal to be chatty, pass-remarkable and to generally have something to say to everyone around you. In Edinburgh, god forbid you should acknowledge the existence of neighbours beyond a polite nod and a tight smile once a day.

I’m from the East, my best uni friend was from the West. We loved each other dearly but never saw eye to eye on this. She found east-coasters to be cold, snobbish and unfriendly. I found her lot to be intrusive, over-friendly and common.

It will never work. I’d move tbh.

CSISaraSidle · 05/07/2018 02:27

Are they barbecueing whilst other tenants washing is out? IMO that's the worst thing a flat maighblur can do!

CSISaraSidle · 05/07/2018 02:28

*neighbour

Monty27 · 05/07/2018 02:48

Can you possibly move? That would drive me round the route of sheer .. well I would hate it. I feel for you. But I don't see any other answer. If you can't put fencing up. Omg it sounds awful. Flowers

LostPlatypus · 05/07/2018 02:52

I don't have anything to add to the helpful suggestions you've already had, but if it makes you feel better, my next door neighbour decided a few years ago that putting his dogs on long leads in his garden would be a good idea since he didn't have any fencing. I quite often found said dogs on my doorstep with their leads crossing over the footpath between our gardens in order for them to do so. So not only was it a nice tripping hazard for people, I couldn't leave my flat without being bounced on by two excitable staffies (sweet dogs but too big for me to just brush past when I want to leave). (Not to mention the dogs using my garden as a toilet.)

Long story short, he now has a fence, thank fuck.

shakingmyhead1 · 05/07/2018 04:50

i would go out the back yard each time they have a BBQ and hang washing, every fucken time! and give them very pointed looks and at the BBQ, i would even do washing that didnt need to be washed just so i could hang it up, hopefully in the way of them, if everyone in the flats did so constantly they might get the message that it is shared and that you will share it every damn time they are there... if everyone walks out with a loaded washing basket and said "oh FFS another damn BBQ i need to get the bloody washing done" or " bloody hell every time i need to do laundry you have the fucken BBQ going, use your front yard FFS!" they might start to be more considerate

Pratchet · 05/07/2018 04:56

They're being terribly rude. I think you need to be rude in return.

Pratchet · 05/07/2018 04:58

Also do the washing thing but I wouldn't do the muttering at first and they might get the message. Alternatively I would go and dit in the garden with headphones and a book while they have their BBQ and say 'don't mind me'.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 05/07/2018 05:13

I think installing decking unilaterally in a shared garden is totally out of order.
You and the other residents should request it is removed to their own private garden.

JennyBlueWren · 05/07/2018 05:45

Do they know it is a communal garden or do they think it is theirs? Maybe when you are in there they think you are a CFN? Perhaps during one of your "quick chats" you could find a way to bring it up. "Lovely weather" "yes hopefully we can all get our laundry dried before you want to use the garden for a BBQ..." "it's so lovely to sit out in... we're so lucky to have this space to share... I'd hate to live somewhere I couldn't sit out in peace"
"Do you find it difficult to adjust to living in a tenament? Some people can find it hard after having their own garden... still I suppose you do still have the patch at the front"

Southernstars · 05/07/2018 05:46

Get together with your other neighbours and send them a letter informing them that as they have their own private garden the communal garden is for the use of the other tenants.

WilburIsSomePig · 05/07/2018 06:50

My first flat was a very similar sounding tenement and there are many unwritten rules. It works really well of everyone is of a similar view but you only need one person to put a spanner in the works. Agree with PP - headphones and a cheery wave.

Chinnyreckoning · 05/07/2018 07:07

I've known 3 people live in tenements. Ny Gran did... she would never ever gave went in the communal space. She took turns with her across the landing to wash the stairs every week. My great aunt was the same... the back court was for hanging out washing but she would never sit out. She also washed the stairs every other week right up until she was 87. She got very perplexed when her new neighbours...a young professional couple... had no notion of washing down the steps. It really baffled her and she instead took to doing it for them.

You need to understand the tenement rules.
As a matter of interest Op do you wash down your section of the stairs? 😁

Maelstrop · 05/07/2018 17:56

This would drive me nuts. Re the comments as you leave, they’d get a hard stare and a ‘That’s very rude’ if they commented on the recycling etc. I would go out whenever I wanted, mirror sunglasses, headphones and if they tried to engage, a frosty ‘This is communal space and I want to use it too, but I prefer to be left alone’. They surely can’t think anything of that and might stop bloody annoying you!

BigGrannyPants · 05/07/2018 18:07

OP I'm with @Hadalifeonce next time the feel the need to comment on your comings and going a, just drop in to the conversation, while they are using the communal back garden, would they mind awfully if you used their front garden as you were looking forward to coming home from work for a bit of sun and peace and quiet. If they say yes, just keep asking for stuff every time they commentate on your life, borrow the car for the weekend, would they mind if you invited some friends round to their frequent bbqs etc... either they will say yes and you'll have the run of the place or they will use the communal facilities less in fear of running in to you Grin