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...to sit in my garden in peace?

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ItLooksNiceOutside · 04/07/2018 18:10

Name change for less potential of outing.

I live in a tenement flat, which for those of you outwith Scotland's central belt (or New York, I think), is a multi (3, sometimes 4)-storied block of flats, normally built from red or blonde sandstone, with a communal entrance. Most date back to Edwardian times in terms of construction, so are between 100-120+ years old.

Tenements have a bit of a bad rep as 'slum housing', but some (including where I live) are very lovely, with beautiful 'closes' (communal entrance corridors), elaborate staircases etc, and the flats themselves are often enormous (sometimes four or five-bedroomed).

Our lovely Edwardian tenement flat, in a lovely area, is very dear to us: it was the first house OH and I bought together (we got lucky, as impoverished entry-level graduates, and lived off beans for about a year to be able to afford it), and we've lived in it for more than 15 years. We love it, and we've worked very hard on it.

A couple of years ago, new neighbours moved into the bottom flat, which is a 'main door', i.e. it has a private front door separate to the close itself (although it's part of the common building).

Seemed nice people - retired professionals (ha, outing my inner snob), moving from the other side of the country to ours to support their family which lives nearby.

For the sake of brevity - I AM SO FCKING DONE WITH THEM. They've taken over over the whole bl*dy place, and I can't get a moment's peace.

One of the key principles of any kind of communal living is a mutual appreciation of each other's personal space, which they (as people who have formerly lived only in detached or terraced housing) just don't seem to get.

Living in a main door flat, they have their own front garden, which, given the time of year and weather we've been having, they're in from about 8am onwards. Now, I can't say I blame them: if I was retired and had my own space, I'd be using it as much as possible in the lovely weather, too.

However, every move invites comment:

8am - 'Oooh, is that you off to work then?' (No, I'm off to throw myself off a bridge, but I thought I'd dress up a bit, just to show the paramedics who dredged my sodden corpse out of the river a bit of respect, you know how it is)

6.30pm - 'Ooooh, you home from work, then?' (No, the paramedics got there too soon.)

(going to the bottle bank) - 'That's a lot of bottles, you got a bit of a problem there, eh? Wink wink nudge nudge!'

(parking my car, which is a bit of banger, anywhere near their shiny Audi tank) - 'Careful with that thing, can't afford to replace ours!'

...ad infinitum.

JESUS ACTUAL CHRIST. LET ME LEAVE AND RETURN TO MY OWN HOME AS AND WHEN I WANT TO. I'M ALMOST 40 YEARS OLD, AND BEING MONITORED LIKE A TEENAGER SNEAKING OFF TO A PARTY REALLY GETS ON MY T*TS.

However, the gist of this, and the basis of my rant, is that I no longer get to sit in the back garden - I know how this sounds, but if you've got this far, bear with me.

Tenements have communal 'back courts' for washing and bins, with some room for a wee lawn and some plants etc, and again, there's a general unspoken agreement that, unless you are all fantastically social, you 'take your turn', whether that's for hanging out washing, sitting out, using space for planting flowers or veg etc.

Anyway, said neighbours (did I mention they actually have their own garden at the front of their house?) have more or less taken this over, installing a deck, all their own plants, garden furniture etc. Admittedly, it's very nice, and it was very nice of them to do so, but nobody asked them to, and crucially, nobody agreed to it.

Their back window overlooks the space, so you can't sit there without somebody shouting down and/or coming out to join you.

As I sit here typing (I'm working from home today and it's hot, so the windows are open), I can hear them having yet ANOTHER f*cking barbecue with their adult children and grandchildren. They basically seem to live outdoors now. If I'm lucky, I might get half an hour in the shade at about 9pm when the sun has passed over.

This is such a ridiculous rant, and I know how many comments I'm going to get about having fundamentally 'nice' neighbours, compared to the horrors that so many endure, but I am SO FRUSTRATED, and short of moving (which, given the amount of time, money and effort we've poured into this house, I really don't want to do), I don't know what to do.

I'm a private and fairly introverted person, and I know that's my 'issue' to deal with, and it shouldn't impact on others. Conversely, I think I should be allowed to be a private, introverted person, within reason, which includes not feeling under siege in my own bl**dy house. I'm quite happy to share pleasantries, and even water plants and feed cats, but there are limits.

All I want to do is occasionally sit in my garden with a glass of wine in peace. Is that BU?

Well done if you've managed to get to the end of this without wanting to remove your own face with your fingernails. Wink

OP posts:
helacells · 05/07/2018 18:23

Gosh it sounds like a very complicated way to live heavily dependent on residents understanding and abiding by all the unwritten rules. Sorry but I would be looking to move. Even if they modify their behavior another lot could move in and do the same.

spiderplantsalad · 05/07/2018 18:26

No advice, just sympathy. I have retired neighbours in the block who have taken over the whole shared space. Nightmares, both of them.

BrownTurkey · 05/07/2018 18:40

Phase out the interaction by just making quick eye contact and a small hand wave but not speaking, even in answer to them. They should take the hint.

Then on one occasion just go directly up to them and say 'its usual to take turns with the shared tenement gardens. I don't think we need a rota yet but could you let others use it please, otherwise we can make a formal agreement.' Smile sweetly. They may be nice.

WhiteWalkerWife · 05/07/2018 21:54

Be cool but civil. They get indulged which is why they bother you. Headphones and a book and a 'seeing through them' glance.

They are being purposefully intrusive. If you pull back and they don't, or they persist more, then I would go for ignoring.

Ethylred · 05/07/2018 22:07

Ooh, introduce yourself to the adult children and have a conversation with them. For example, mention, subtle like, that you have, not exactly an issue, but you want to make sure that no issue arises.

No no that's not manipulative in the slightest. No sir.

CookPassBabtridge · 05/07/2018 22:09

Stop giving them 20 mins of your time for chatting, the more you give the more they think you love it! (Learnt from experience...) Headphones in, or walk quickly saying a quick "hey" and be gone before they can carry it on. They aren't going to change as they aren't doing much wrong but you can make life easier.

Hellbentwellwent · 05/07/2018 22:12

biggrannypants love this idea, it’ll take dedication though op, and headspace but could end up being good fun. Get your neighbours in on the act too.

HeebieJeebies456 · 05/07/2018 22:22

stop enabling them then!

Give their endless chatter the Grey Rock treatment or blatantly ignore it.
Stop being polite and accomodating and be quietly assertive.

If they have friends/family in the back then ask them to use their private garden for that.
take your own plants/ornaments etc and border off a space for yourself-making sure to push some of theirs out of the way.
play music out loud to drown them out

or tell them of the tenement 'etiquette'.

i do feel for you as i'm in a similar situation-except it's one alcoholic neighbour who takes over the tiny gravel pit of the 'front garden', sits there drinking from 10am til sundown every fucking day...which means he's sat directly in front of my windows, forcing me to keep my blinds shut.
he can hear everything i say, do or watch Hmm

my revenge is to leave music blaring while im out - my cache of foreign music is increasing Grin

gottachangethename1 · 05/07/2018 22:23

This would drive me insane. Bad enough that I can hear all my surrounding neighbours in the their gardens with bloody barbecues and pissed up endless get togethers. I long to live miles from the nearest neighbour. Although I admit I’m an anti social introvert a lot of the time Grin

LighthouseSouth · 05/07/2018 22:29

I think they're being very rude

Your comments on 8.30 and 6 are fantastic. Why not actually say that to them? When they laugh or look shocked, you can then say "do we really need to have this talk every day".

Re the decking, if it's a shared space didn't they need any permission? I would chat to other neighbours and see if they feel invaded and if anything can be done about a rota. Even if not, if these people get to realise they're annoying everyone they might rein it in.

Hygge · 05/07/2018 22:36

@KurriKurri - I might have met your neighbour.

We were putting a small, boxed tumble dryer into the back of my car and he was walking by and stopped, goggled at us and shouted "That won't fit in there! What do you think you're doing, that will never fit in there!"

It did fit, so I just kind of gestured at it in a kind of "well it's in there" way with my hands, and so he shouted "Well you'll never shut the door!"

So DH shut the door and he huffed at us and said "unbelievable" and walked away.

It's become a bit of a thing now, whenever one of us is doing something basic and easy, like putting the shopping away, for the other one to say "that will never fit in there", which can only be replied to with "unbelievable"

OP I have no advice. My neighbour stands on the roof and shouts "agghh you bastards" at us and I still think I prefer him to yours.

IamalsoSpartacus · 05/07/2018 22:45

Can you just pick up all their shite from the communal garden and put it round the front? I know that's super-confrontational but they have no rights at all to put it there.

Cloudyapples · 05/07/2018 22:49

Op why dont you invite all of the neighbours to a bbq in the communal garden and while there start a convo about its shared use?

NotANaturalBlonde · 05/07/2018 23:00

I feel your pain OP. I fucking hate people x

Alaaya · 05/07/2018 23:09

I have no advice, OP, but just wanted to give support. I live in a tenement as well, and quite a social one (I think) and they sound like they would drive me mad. Definitely not in the spirit of tenement living and not normal behaviour at all!

DoAsYouWouldBeMumBy · 05/07/2018 23:11

Oh OP, that's kind of awful, they obvs have no idea how to live in a tenement - and anyway, surely the main door flat keeps its nose firmly in the air?? Wink

Do you have a factor who could maybe have a word? Have the neighbours moved from East Kilbride or somewhere like that and just don't know how we roll in the west end? Grin

WTFnnoh · 05/07/2018 23:15

As a former tenement liver I totally get it. My neighbours were mostly batshit but also very good hearted people but man if I didn’t want to claw their eyes out most days. One neighbour would just take over the whole communal garden during the summer when the entirety of her extended family would rock up for hours upon hours at a time. If I went out there I was trapped listening to her drivel until the end of time. And all super intrusive questions. I’m also a very low key, private person and I really did not appreciate my life being pried into. And it was relentless. She had zero sense of boundaries. Another neighbour—perfectly nice man—was so irritating if I saw him coming up the street I would bolt. He just went on and on and on about utter crap. And despite asking him over and over not to feed my dogs (one has allergies which I made him aware of multiple times) his pockets seemed to be constantly filled with some unidentifiable meat which he would just post into their mouths whilst he held me captive with his endless tales of woe.

Sigh.

I feel you OP. I broke eventually and just moved. I now live in a terraced house and the neighbors probably think I’m a rude bitch but I made the mistake of giving neighbours the time of day before and I’m not about to go back to that hell again. I learnt my lesson. I have no constructive advice I just know exactly how you feel.

TheGirlOnTheLanding · 05/07/2018 23:19

I feel your pain too @ItLooksNiceOutside. We no longer live in a tenement but we live in what was a lovely quiet street, where neighbours were exactly the right balance between friendly and minding their own business. Until new next-door-neighbours moved in, that is. Neither of them work and they're in the garden all day, every day when the weather is good - which would be fine except the moment you set foot outside they talk to you, all the time. When they're not doing noisy outdoor diy. FFS I just want to read my book in peace after work in the sunshine - hi, beautiful weather, hope it stays like this girl a few weeks is about the limit of chat I'm prepared to have. Not endless questions and comments. And the drilling.

(For anyone about to suggest I'm antisocial and shouldn't have neighbours - you're absolutely right and if I could afford to live in a detached property with a large gated garden around it, I absolutely would.)

We need to embrace our inner curmudgeon @ItLooksNiceOutside and be the grumpy neighbour who always wears headphones til the get the message.

TheGirlOnTheLanding · 05/07/2018 23:20

I've no idea what's going on wi the random boldness. Sorry. Blush

KeepServingTheDrinks · 05/07/2018 23:38

I think the bit to work on first is the stuff they've put in the communal space. I would be clarifying with them PDQ that they understand others will use it if it's left there, but it's their responsibility to maintain. Do they get that?

Then I'd just make sure I was out there before they were.

And I would have a conversation with the other tenants as well.

BigGrannyPants · 06/07/2018 12:19

@TheGirlOnTheLanding carmugeon Grin one of my favourite words!

nervousnails · 06/07/2018 12:37

Go and sit there when they bbq. And ignore them. Keep doing that and keep ignoring them as you catch the sun. They will go away quietly. Make sure the others in the building are on board though.

TrueBlueYorkshire · 06/07/2018 13:59

Buy a terrace house that has a private garden..

SaucyJack · 06/07/2018 14:09

I dunno what your budget is, or what the layout of the garden is, but would something like this work to mark out a bit of a private space at the other end of the garden? Obviously you'd need to angle it away from their window and decking.

GrabbyMcGrabby · 06/07/2018 16:48

You have my sympathies as I have experienced similar and it all got very nasty in the end. Police were involved and it was never resolved satisfactorily.

Ref the back, shared garden, I wouldn't get too controversial with them (though some of the suggestions by PPs are fab - use their garden at front if they are at back, move their furniture etc from back to their private garden), unless you have backing of other tenement owners. You need to do it collectively. You can whip up some interest by talking of the back garden being 'stolen' and it devaluing the rest of the properties. Also, what are the rules on decking in Scotland? In England, if more than 50% of the garden is decked, or if it is over 30cm in height, then planning permission is required.

in the meantime, the sunglasses and headphones tactic in back garden is recommended. Get yourself a nice sunlounger too.

Ref them yabbering when you leave/arrive... a toughie. Appearing rude may escalate bad feelings. Maybe set your phone alarm to go off at those times and pretend it's a call?

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