To think the should stop fucking with sugar and replacing it with shit chemicals?

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First Capri Sun, now Coco Pops! Stop fucking with recipes!

Yeah, yeah, sugar tax. I'd rather my kids had one thing that was sugary than a bunch of chemicals!

They should still sell the old products. Surely sales will just go down anyway because they now all taste like shit?

Not as recent as a 1965, Clairetree1! I'll concede an order of magnitude, but I stand by my point.

This natural: artificial sentiment is pure vanity.

Every single substance on earth is made with natural ingredients. Because there isn't any other kind.

Not as recent as a 1965, Clairetree1! so, if aspartime had been invented 5000 years ago, it would be acceptable now??

Urgh, I agree!
I loved the old sprite with the stevia, was the only thing that helped when my ibs flared up badly. They’ve added aspartame and taken out the stevia and now it gives me the runs.

Claire, Not every single substance on Earth is an edible foodstuff though is it? And that's the crux of the matter right there. Just because sweeteners have certain elements in common with natural nutritive componds, doesn't mean we can eat them. That's the reason we can eat animal protein but can't eat bars of solid gold.

thats crazy. so a bottle of arsenic is better than a cup of tea????

That’s a straw man and I suspect you know it is. Quite how you can conclude that vanity comes into this, I have no idea.

Anyway, I’ve given my opinion, you’ve given yours, and neither are going to change. By all means crack on, but I’m bowing out.

I'd have a lot more confidence in aspartame if we had been eating it happily for 5000 years with no documented ill effects, and if it didn't taste like arse.

It doesn't matter how many people post they don't like the taste of artificial sweeteners or they give them an upset stomach, there are always poster who insist we can't actually tell the difference.

We can. And many people differentiate between naturally grown foodstuffs and artificial additives by using words such as 'chemicals'.

Why is eating fish not natural?

And many people differentiate between naturally grown foodstuffs and artificial additives by using words such as 'chemicals'.

no they actually don't because that is not the meaning of the word "chemicals", not even vaguely close to the meaning of the word "chemicals", so the only people who would use the word completely wrongly like that would be someone who didn't understand the vocabulary in English, or who maybe was completely uneducated.

Why is eating fish not natural?

not natural for us as we evolved without eating any at all, and only very recently, in modern times, discovered they were edible.. so we are not adapted to eat fish protein at all. But it doesn't matter, fish are fine to eat. not "natural" though

(inspite of what the peddlers of the so called "paleolithic diet" claim - they re making shedloads of money on the back of the concept that eating like a primitive human is some how natural and healthy, of course without any understanding that those people's bodies were different, they ate what was available rather than what they chose, and these diet sellers don't know what they ate anyway, and are wrong in several aspects)

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Now I'm really confused. Claire, I thought you must be a crack porcine

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I thought you must be a crack piscine paleontologist. Now I don't know what to believe

Why can’t we give our children water. It doesn’t need to be a sweet drink, these heavily sugared products are marketed so they are attractive to children but it’s parents that make the purchase, just say no. Fruit is sweet and healthy

I don't mind sweeteners and I don't avoid them with my son either (just moderate consumption), but I can understand why some people hate the taste.

I don't mind aspartame, but I find Stevia absolutely disgusting and I can detect the fucker straight away . I also feel similarly about capsicums and gooseberries.

yanbu

Everything is chemicals.

That being said, the sugar tax is bullshit and part of this stupid tirade against poor people IMO.

I stopped buying Ribena since they put artificial sweeteners in it. It no has a horrible taste. My DS1 requires a very high calorie diet due to his disability, so we avoid artificial sweeteners as much as possible.
The squash that I now buy is Sunquick, which my parents used to buy myself & DB as children. I have recently discovered it for sale in our local Asian & Oriental stores.
www.sunquick.com

not natural for us as we evolved without eating any at all, and only very recently, in modern times, discovered they were edible.

I'd rather eat something natural that human beings have been eating for 40,000 years (hardly recent) than something artificial that was created in the 1960s. And I do believe our increased use of 'chemicals' is the reason in the increase in cancer. Anything that gives you a splitting headache after consuming it is surely a warning sign that you shouldn't be eating/drinking it.

YANBU, it's infuriating. The worst thing is people not realising that less sugar equals more artificial sweeteners.

Yes to wanting the full fat yoghurts too! I don't want my yoghurts filled with what sound like non-food items that wouldn't sound out of place on a tin of paint!

I’m curious as to how some people can’t taste the artificial sweeteners. Genetic differences perhaps - which is the case with coriander.

Me too socks. I don't have particularly sensitive tastebuds and I'm certainly not a supertaster, but I can definitely tell which drinks have artificial sweeteners in and find just about all of them horrible.

I can just about tolerate Coke Zero, but it's far from my favourite drink.

The just drink water argument is irritating. 4000 years ago, the Eygptians were brewing beer. 2000+ years ago the Romans were drinking wine. Humans in various societies have drunk alternatives to water for thousands of years. As a non tea/ coffee drinker and low tolerance to milk, I frequently encounter incredulity that I would actually want to drink water.

Sometimes water just doesn't hit the spot. Sometimes it's more refreshing to drink fluids that are closer in concentration to the dilution of your blood. Sometimes water doesn't shift that "thirsty" taste in your mouth. I had weak cordial in my water bottle for this morning's run because with it being dry and dusty, and hayfever season, I want to clear the dusty, mucusy tastes that build up. Water doesn't do that. Sugar isn't a health hazard in that context; the energy is a nutritional benefit where I haven't had time to eat and digest in advance. Sweetners would only be detrimental (headache, lingering soapy taste)

We can accept that some people and ethnic groups haven't developed the ability to digest lactose as well as others. We haven't had much opportunity to be acustomed to digest artificial sweetners as they are so recent (in terms of society). It is unproven what effects they have in mass scale consumption over a lifetime. I'm not convinced that they are the "get out of jail card" in allowing society to carry on eating a very sweetened diet free of consequence.
Maybe in a few decades we'll find out if I'm wrong or right to be cautious about them.

RiddleyW - I presume you didn't read my entire post. The problem I have with artificial sweeteners is that they trigger my migraines. I have a chronic migraine condition, it's actually so serious I get PIP. My father had chronic migraines too. One day he had a "migraine" - except it wasn't, he had a stroke & now he has brain damage. My neurologist says I have an increased risk of stroke... hence my problem with sweeteners. Also MSG, high sugar foods, caffeine, certain food colourings, licorice, some preservatives, etc... my diet is limited enough already & as a long term ED sufferer it's really triggering always to have to read the labels on everything, every time I buy it in case of stealth recipe changes.