To think the should stop fucking with sugar and replacing it with shit chemicals?

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First Capri Sun, now Coco Pops! Stop fucking with recipes!

Yeah, yeah, sugar tax. I'd rather my kids had one thing that was sugary than a bunch of chemicals!

They should still sell the old products. Surely sales will just go down anyway because they now all taste like shit?

I went to a moot in a pub last week and there was nothing to drink. I was driving, so could only have a fizzy or fruit juice. They were out of natural fruit juice and everything else had sweeteners in. I ended up with a fizzy water

Did they not have coke or pepsi?

Coke and Pepsi are a bit yucky, far too sweet and not really adult drinks, so not everyone likes them.

The problem is that most soft drinks have sweetners in, despite many people not wanting them.

Good point about the tonic, although luckily Fever Tree is more widespread than they used to be, although a lot of places still only have Schweppes.

I've come across a few pubs now who automatically serve me diet pepsi or coke. They have stopped having full fat on draft and if they sell it at all only have it in bottles. I've now gotten into the habit of having to specifically state I want a 'Full fat coke'.
Yet to come across a pub lemonade that doesn't contain aspartame so anything with that is out, and almost all cordials have it as well.

At our local Waitrose last week, Cawston was sold out but the San Pelligrino shelf was full. SP used to be my summer drink but I have switched over to Cawston's. Judging by the supermarket so have many others!

San Pellegrino? I thought they only did fizzy water?

SleepFreeZone - yes it's very positive that I now make my own granola, spurred on purely because there's too much sugar in the shop bought stuff. May have to do the same with cordials too to avoid sweeteners.

If those experiments with sweeteners caused cancer in rats but they claim they are safe for humans, it begs the question why on earth do we test stuff on rats if we ignore the findings?

Because ethics (most people don't give much of a shit about rats), cost (rats are cheap to breed and keep) and because animal models may be indicative- they may provide scientists with clues for things that require further investigation.

However, it doesn't mean that what goes for rats, goes for people. In your own link, it explained that mechanistic factors account for the bladder cancer (why rats get it and people don't) and that other trials were flawed. I'm not sure if this is the trial that is frequently cited where the asparatine dosage for the rat model was ridiculous (equivalent of a person drinking 500 cans of Diet Coke a day for months) and so you couldn't really draw any conclusions from it as pretty much anything in vast quantities is likely to be problematic.

I avoid all artificial sweeteners because:
a) I'd rather avoid the scenario that happened to my father, i.e. what we all thought was yet another migraine, actually turned out to be a stroke. I know for a fact that several of the different types of artifical sweeteners trigger my migraines & I don't fancy risking it.
b) They taste like crap.

I am really sick of having to check ingredients on everything, every time I buy something, in case there's been a stealth recipe change, & having to keep a mental list of what foods are "safe" to eat. My memory is rubbish anyway!

I am really sick of having to check ingredients on everything, every time I buy something, in case there's been a stealth recipe change, & having to keep a mental list of what foods are "safe" to eat. My memory is rubbish anyway!

But so so few foods have sweeteners! What is it that’s causing you a problem?

Pisses me off too.

I have stocked up on old style ribena plus gas several bottles cordial in the cupboard. I won't be buying coco pops any more. .

San Pellegrino? I thought they only did fizzy water?

They also do (did?) fabulous lemon, lemon & mint, and two different orange soft drinks. But... apparently they’ve got sweetener in them now. Gutted.

Not sure if any one has already said but PePSI and Old JAMACA ginger beer both DO have sweetners now.

Haven’t RTFT but if you want cordial without sweetner; Belvoir, Bottle Green, Blossom Cottage also are sweetner-free. Fizzy drinks; Bottle Green, Belvoir, Soda Folk, Bundaberg, Virgil’s, Appletiser, Boylan. Gutted I can no longer have Rubicon though 🙁.

All sweetners give me migraines and vomiting. Even if they didn’t they taste so vile, I’d not want them near me! I’m really annoyed that the choice has been taken away and pubs and eating places are some of the worst as they don’t sell any of the alternatives (apart from Byron who sell Soda Folk & Pizza Hut who sell Virgil’s).

@RiddleyW, sweeteners are in SO many things now. Soft drinks, cordials, yoghurts, crisps, loads and loads of things and more often than not it's weird things that would never think would contain or need sweeteners!

I have to check everything too, it's a pain in the arse!

Fentimans is sweetner-free as well.

Genuinely want to know - how is sugar chemicals Malmi?

genuinely want to know, how could sugar NOT be chemicals????

what on earth do you think it is?

One thing that has always stuck with me was her view that a small amount of something natural is better than a larger amount of something artificial

and very confused by the number of people that for some reason have the impression that natural=good. TB is natural. Arsenic is natural, strychnine is natural. What is this bizarre idea that for some reason natural things are better? ridiculous. Eating fish by the way, is not natural for human beings

Eating fish by the way, is not natural for human beings

Eh? Even if that's true, we do have hundreds of thousands of years experience of fish eating, and shedloads of epidemiological data suggesting it is beneficial.

Aspartame was invented in 1965 for commercial purposes, and tastes like sweaty aresehole. So I'll pass on that thanks, and take our evolutionary fuel of naturally occurring fats, proteins, and sugars in appropriate quantities.

TB, arsenic, and strychnine are not fuel for living organisms, but a pathogen, a toxic metallic element, and a toxic alkaloid, respectively. What's your point?

But so so few foods have sweeteners!

Back in the mid nineties I found sweeteners in:
Yogurt
Bread
Biscuits
Sauces (BBQ/Relish/Tomato)
Cook-in sauces
Sweets (!)
Crisps
Cereals
and even a brand (can't remember which) of sausages & bacon & sliced ham

Then Tesco went through a change of only putting 'kitchen' ingredients into thier own foods which really helped

But it's going back that way again

Sugar and sweeteners - both bad - I haven't drunk ribena since I was like 10 and even then hardly ever because my mum didn't believe in giving us sugary drinks.

and very confused by the number of people that for some reason have the impression that natural=good.

I think you are misrepresenting what I posted.

I didnt say that natural = good. I said that a nutritionist had stated that natural = better than artificial, and that, to me, that made sense. Of course eating 500g of butter in one go isn’t “good”, any more than eating 500g of sugar is “good”. But, given the choice, I’ll take butter over margarine, and sugar over aspartame. Every. Single. Time.

I agree. I don’t eat sugar, I’ve been sugar free since January. But sweetener is just crap. I completely support the choice to consume sugar if you wish.

They should also be prevented from using other ‘sugars’ such as pure fructose (fever tree), agave nectar, honey, malt, puréed dates and branding something sugar free, when it isn’t.

Surely the point of the sugar taxation is to encourage people to make healthier choices for themselves and their kids? So actually I believe we should be removing the sweetness from these products by having less sweetness overall, and certainly not in savoury products, not by replacing sugar with something 1000 times sweeter than sugar.

I agree remove the sugar and don't replace it with shit just less sugar.

Even if that's true, we do have hundreds of thousands of years experience of fish eating,

no, its very recent.

I said that a nutritionist had stated that natural = better than artificial, and that, to me, that made sense

thats crazy. so a bottle of arsenic is better than a cup of tea????