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Our list of allies grows thin! Our list of enemies grows long! Trump thread continued.

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TheClaws · 03/07/2018 02:11

The above is a quote from The Lord of the Rings, The Fellowship of the Ring, said by Lord Elrond. At this stage, with POTUS practically pissing off every ally the US has while cosying up with several dictators, it seems quite apt.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3283037-trump-puts-kids-in-cages-because-he-wants-his-wall-how-low-can-he-go-the-authoritarian-shitshow-continues

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TheClaws · 17/07/2018 04:10

Tucker Carlson now blames Mexico for MOAR election interference, because why not go down the racist route when you’ve gone down it so many times before? #whataboutism

thehill.com/homenews/media/397329-tucker-carlson-mexico-has-interfered-in-us-elections-more-successfully-than

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ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 06:35

Surprise, surprise:
@jimsciutto
These talking points are deeply misleading as they ignore what Trump said. He explicitly doubted IC assessment: “My people came to me..they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin. He just said it's not Russia. I will say this, I don't see any reason why it would be”
Seung Min Kim
@seungminkim
Here’s how the White House is spinning the Helsinki summit, per talking points sent to Capitol Hill:

mobile.twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1019028358087217153

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 06:42

Mitch's order of priorities is straight from the the repug playbook - Person, Party, and a long, long way behind, if not too inconvrenient, Patria:
@jimsciutto
What’s missing of course is a response to, or any comment on, the US President undermining that assessment while standing next to the Russian leader who orchestrated the interference.
Manu Raju
@mkraju
McConnell spox Don Stewart says of Putin-Trump meeting: “As the Leader has said many times, Russia is not our friend, and he agrees with the findings of the intelligence community regarding Russia's efforts to interfere in our elections. Those positions have not changed.”
Show this thread

mobile.twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1019009734928687105

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 06:51

Yep, he brought Browder up at the presser, too:
@MollyMcKew
It's pretty clear that Putin asked Trump about overturning the Magnitsky Act today, so, let's see who starts talking about that first from the WH or R members of Congress.
mobile.twitter.com/MollyMcKew/status/1018965403853361152

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 06:56

Telling that the Orange Oaf avoided the press on AF1. He usually can't hold back from loose lipping it or slapping himself on the back.

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 07:05

Exaggeration. Gingrich is devoid of morality and is too invested to ditch T.
@jeffzeleny
If you’ve lost Newt, things are serious..... (is this the modern-day, Twitter version of LBJ’s losing Cronkite is like losing middle America?)
mobile.twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/1018968312049491973

@newtgingrich
President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.

Roussette · 17/07/2018 07:09

I've been in shock watching Trump hand over the US to Putin and this tweet from a Republican sums up what I think

@JeffFlake
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I never thought I would see the day when our American President would stand on the stage with the Russian President and place blame on the United States for Russian aggression. This is shameful.

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 07:11

'In rebuke to Trump, senators may vote to side with US intel community.'
By Manu Raju, CNN Senior Congressional Correspondent
amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/07/16/politics/senate-intelligence-community-measure/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 07:16

Manu Raju
@mkraju
Sen. Feinstein told me Dems on the panel requested docs and intvw in December from indicted Russian national Maria Butina to determine whether she used the NRA to create a backchannel to the Trump campaign. But she did not comply, citing the lack of support from GOP senators.

Separately, Butina’s lawyer told a judge she spoke with the Senate Intelligence Committee voluntarily, but Chairman Burr declined to comment. Asked if she had been cooperative, Burr said “all of our witnesses have been cooperative because we haven’t had to subpoena any of them.”

Feinstein was reaching out to Butina in her role as top Dem on Senate Judiciary Committee
mobile.twitter.com/mkraju/status/1018981438564323328

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 07:36

Yep, no surprise:
@KattyKayBBC
Newt’s kiss and make up?
Newt Gingrich
@newtgingrich
President @realDonaldTrump wants American businesses to do well — and from the start he's been cutting regulations to ensure they succeed. #TrumpsAmerica (link: bit.ly/trumpsamericabook) bit.ly/trumpsamericab…

mobile.twitter.com/KattyKayBBC/status/1019023412092637184

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 07:41

Gosh, that's not what Vlad said:

Michael Isikoff
@Isikoff
This just in: @GoldstoneRob , Emin Agalarov publicist who was present for Peskov-Trump phone call, has just reaffirmed @DavidCornDC and my reporting that Putin very well knew Trump was in Moscow
Rob Goldstone
@GoldstoneRob
Replying to @Isikoff and @DavidCornDC
I know this because I was there!

mobile.twitter.com/Isikoff/status/1018907501377486850

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 07:45

Don Lemon showed a clip of the Butina/T. exchange yesterday:
Michael Isikoff
@Isikoff
Maria Butina, arrested by FBI on charges she is Russian agent, was first to ask Trump about sanctions. Later, as @DavidCornDC and I write in Russian Roulette, Trump advisors fretted over video of Butina's interaction with the candidate. (link: www.yahoo.com/news/nra-linked-russian-aide-arrested-charged-foreign-agent-222233028.html) yahoo.com/news/nra-linke…
mobile.twitter.com/Isikoff/status/1018991836629815302

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 08:03

Pence's head is permanently up somewhere dark and smelly:
Vice President Mike Pence
@VP
Our @POTUS is now on his way home from a historic trip to Europe. And the truth is, over the last week, the world saw once again that President Trump stands without apology as the leader of the free world.
mobile.twitter.com/VP/status/1018932839927119873

theweek.com/speedreads/785121/mike-pence-lauds-trumpputin-presser-trump-always-prosperity-security-america-first

Quantumblue · 17/07/2018 08:18

Sorry that was fake news about Finland and NATO.
Meanwhile retired major general Paul EAton says Trump is not fit to lead US troops.

Minimammoth · 17/07/2018 08:32

Perking my whimsy, or drawing unnerving similarities, was a u tube clip from ‘Mars Attacks’ where the US president ( Jack Nicholson) appeals to the Martians that they all ‘get along’. Am rubbish at links, google ‘mars attack’s can’t we just get along’

PerkingFaintly · 17/07/2018 08:45

Mars Attacks "Why Can't We All Just Get Along?"
Shock

The orange one will never be as eloquent as Jack Nicholson.Grin

Outcome will be the same though...

Gumpendorf · 17/07/2018 08:55

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/after-a-stunning-news-conference-theres-a-newly-crucial-job-for-the-american-press/2018/07/16/720a7c64-891b-11e8-a345-a1bf7847b375_story.html

A hard hitting perspective on how the media should handle this. hint, not like they've done in the past

When it comes to Fox and Trump, the answer to the lyric “Will the Circle Be Unbroken” is abundantly obvious.
But for the reality-based press, the job will require clarity and moral force, in ways we’re not always all that comfortable with.

Just as it took months to come to terms with referring to Trump’s endless falsehoods (when they are clearly intentional) as “lies,” we need to get out of our ingrained habits in order to tell this story clearly.
Some signs were encouraging. In The Post, Aaron Blake’s analysis told it plainly: “Trump’s news conference with Putin was everything Putin could have dreamed” read the headline.
The lead headline on the Guardian US website got right to the point, too: “Trump ‘treasonous’ after siding with Putin on election meddling.”
But the press’s default position is to normalize, to represent various points of view with equal weight, to be swayed by the pomp of the presidential office. To act as if everything is just a variation on a theme — something we’ve seen before but maybe in a slightly paler shade.

That’s not good enough.

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 08:58

Matthew Rojansky said, on Don Lemon's CNN Tonight that, immediately after the 1 to 1, Putin gave a 15 min rundown of the discussions to Russian TV, without notes. Not one item of the significant areas he disclosed in this interview came up in the later presser

I can't find anything on this, other than the Lemon show, linked below.

@MatthewRojansky
Here is the link. It’s in Russian. Try google translate maybe? Or ask your friendly Russian neighbor 🤗 (link: www.1tv.ru/news/2018-07-16/348813-eksklyuzivnoe_intervyu_prezidenta_rossii_programme_vremya) 1tv.ru/news/2018-07-1…
adam soil
@evilsalty
@MatthewRojansky how can we get a translated video or transcript from Putin’s interview to Russian television

mobile.twitter.com/MatthewRojansky?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Lemon's CNN Tonight - The Rojansky bit is around 19 mins in:

BolleauxtoBankers · 17/07/2018 09:02

I am so thrilled to read about the protests outside the White House last night. I can't find any mention in mainstream news, oddly, apart from the Torygraph and first found it on Twitter, at which point I actually wondered aloud if it was a real thing, since I have become so inured to fake news!

Alejandro Alvarez
@aletweetsnews

Secret Service just lifted the security cordon at the edge of Lafayette. Protest surging forward, closer to the north fence:
twitter.com/aletweetsnews/status/1019038982619922432
I'm sorry, I can't link to the videos, but actually hearing the chant "Go back to Russia!" is amazing!

Gumpendorf · 17/07/2018 09:16

Watch video I took from the protest outside of the White House tonight. Listen to the chants of traitor. And calls for Congress to #ImpeachTrump. Tomorrow you can join @MichaelAvenatti and other fellow resisters as we #OccupyLafayettePark at 7pm. 🇺🇸 https://twitter.com/funder/status/1019061469638426624/video/1

Thanks, bolleaux the video can be played by clicking the twitter link in your post. Smile

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 09:26

Excellent news re protests in DC. Thank you for the reporting and links Boll and Gump

ohmymimi · 17/07/2018 09:30

Tomorrow you can join @MichaelAvenatti and other fellow resisters as we #OccupyLafayettePark at 7pm. 🇺🇸

Running for office is definitely in Avenatti's tea leaves.