Schoolgirls face ban on skirts.

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Personally, I appear to have lost all power of speech ...

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f08d6f1a-7ca5-11e8-8ce4-0bcac63244b2

It doesn't work without the stereotypes so with no skirt to wear won't that distress the MTF?
Well, it actually removes any attention seeking element and deals with the situation in a practical way, in the same way that unisex changing rooms work. They're not about affirmation of an individuals identity.

Agree with Chardonnay re periods. When the only sanitary items available in your house are incredibly thick maxi pads, and you are 11 and too embarrassed to buy your own, skirts are way better than trousers.

How are trousers more practical? All you do at school is walk around and sit down and if you're doing PE you change anyway.
1.You have to wash trousers more often because they're all up in crotch area
2.They show period accidents more clearly ( unless they're black!)

1. they're not always more comfortable if you're a larger size,
2. they're hot in summer,
3. they're colder than skirts in winter because it you're wearing a skirt you can also wear tights and a slip whereas trousers are just a single layer.
4. Skirts are more forgiving in terms of sizing, you can wear a skirt for longer as you're growing and they cope better with fluctuations in weight.

And, as previous posters have said, why do gender neutral clothes always veer to the masculine?

Oh, sorry.

Just being banned from being many professions, not from voting.

Still, has nothing to do with what wrote.

Why would you bring up?

I have another thread going at mo.

Dds secondary approves like 2 or three trousers. Linked to on website.

Have tried 2 of them and know from.previous experience the 3rd is no good.

The high street ones were awful. They looked like those toddler trousers that leave room for nappies. Awful shape style and material .

The uniform shop ones fitted better but I will have to have them altered to put belt loops on as they don't come in a smaller size. But I expect she will be told they are the wrong trousers because they aren't allowed anything tight and these don't have arse spaces down to the knees

Schools have gone way off trying to put kids in tents.

OTT

They should allow a choice bit not all do. That's the issue .

And they are telling girls Its their fault and removing their choices because they basically dare to have a body underneath the clothes

ihatetosay
girls wear skirts. Well my girl always wears trousers and has done for most of her life.

So womanhood and femininity are being ousted from society to make all the trans folks feel better essentially. It makes me sick.

They banned skirts in my dds school. (This was about 10 years ago!)
It lasted about a term because many girls were so distressed at wearing the “approved” trousers that they had to take notice. The trousers were absolutely awful and unless you were very slim, were very clingy.
Despite the girls and many parents warning them that it was a terrible idea, the school wouldn’t listen until they saw the distress with their own eyes..

Giles don't they have the elastic inside to make the waist smaller? My daughter still has those in her jeans, even though she's an adult now. I always have to take them in a little bit to fit her waist.
She wears the lycra type trousers from Asda for school, very comfy and cheap. To be fair, it's a special needs schools so they're not fussy about the make or style, but they do insist on all the girls over 11 wearing trousers.

So womanhood and femininity are being ousted from society to make all the trans folks feel better essentially

How does making girls wear trousers make trans people feel better?
Surely trans people would want the option to wear trousers or skirts depending on how they felt about themselves?

madness girls wear skirts and boys wear trousers how it has always been and always should be

That is neither culturally nor historically true. What an idiotic statement. Was it meant as satire?

So womanhood and feminity are being ousted from society to make all the trans folk feel better, essentially
What absolute rubbish. Girls and women are still female, no matter what they wear. Schools are an institution, and it's up to them to set a dress code that works best for them. No one is stopping girls from wearing skirts outside of school , which is around 35 hours per week for most schools.

Chardonnay because as I said earlier in the thread, I think that levelling out the uniform so there is no distinction between the sexes (in the same way that uniform attempts to close the gap between rich and poor, etc) will go some way to combatting the institutional sexism that holds girls back professionally.

There is still a lot of sexism in schools and I think that anything that sends the message that there is no physical difference requiring the need for different clothes or treatment or careers is a positive step.

Also, I think that the notion that only boys can wear one thing and only girls can wear another is what has caused a lot of confusion in children and has helped in leading some children to the conclusion they have to 'pick a side' and therefore must be trans. If we stop telling children that gender matters to the point they have to wear different clothes depending on whether they're a girl or a boy, i think that's a positive message.

lizzie

Most the trousers still look terrible on skinny people .

Something really needs to be done to sort out the ridiculousness of the proportions and cut of school trousers.

They all seem to have saddle bags and nappy butts and adjusting the waist makes them all bunched up and irritating/uncomfortable especially for kids with sensory issues or eczema etc

THts one of the reasons dd wears those cycling shorts under her skirt because the munching and button make her itch even through the shirt that's tucked in

I don't think half these designers and manufacturers have been within 100 feet of an actual child

I would support , shorts , trousers or skirts for everyone. But no one cares that men are heavily resticted in what they can wear.

School they have to wear trousers in 90%+ of schools, what is deemed proffinal / smart for males is mostly suit, shirt and tie that's it.

So in summer men are uncomfortable and need air con to stay cool were as woman get a much more vaired dress code so can wear weather appropriate clothes which means they are too cold for air con so ether the woman suffer being cold in summer or the men are swelting because THEY have to wear suits were woman can wear smart summer dresses sandals etc.

And no one try to lie to themselves that suits can be made weather appropriate in summer.

Womanhood and femininity are about more than what we wear.

But what we (women) wear has always been regulated and in conflict.

Women wearing trousers was a scandal once upon a time, and still today is something many schools and businesses try to regulate. Women wearing mini skirts for the first time were blamed for caused road accidents. Women wearing anything get blamed for distracting men or causing their own rapes.

Schools would be better to allow all pupils to wear the seasonally appropriate uniform of their choice, even if that means girls in shorts or trousers or boys in shorts or skirts. Everyone would then be able to make a choice that suits their own comfort and personality. I can see the reasoning behind uniforms for school children but not the over-regulating of it to this extreme.

The trouble is there are physical differences between the sexes and whilst a pair of men's straight trousers can hang similarly on most men, a pair of women's straight trousers will look very different on different shaped girls. My girls always wanted a trouser option but finding some that were comfortable and practical for their shape is so hard. A skirt and tights overcomes this very easily. My younger daughter happily wears boys shorts to school and they are very practical but she's not yet changed shape. I totally agree with a less 'gender specific' uniform and flexibility for the individual, but not a one thing for all. I definitely think boys should be allowed shorts of girls wear skirts. And that all variants should be open to both sexes. But I don't think the option of a skirt should be removed.

So womanhood and feminity are being ousted from society ...

Dunno about femininity but womanhood is likely to be history unless people take notice.

What appalls me is how comically sanguine I have been over decades of (mostly fiction) reading. Not for one second did I ever imagine I would live through these times.

So in summer men are uncomfortable

So perhaps, instead of taking away the ability for women to wear weather-appropriate clothing they should campaign to ditch the fucking suit!

Why is it up to women to redress the balance all the time?

DD1 starts primary school in September. The uniform list we've been sent states: Pinafore dress, skirt or trousers with a white shirt and green logo jumper. No mention of male or female options. Strikes me that is a gender neutral uniform! Both genders have the same list of acceptable clothes. Every morning would be a battle with DD1 if she didn't have the option of a dress, she hates trousers.

Schools would be better to allow all pupils to wear the seasonally appropriate uniform of their choice, even if that means girls in shorts or trousers or boys in shorts or skirts. Everyone would then be able to make a choice that suits their own comfort and personality. I can see the reasoning behind uniforms for school children but not the over-regulating of it to this extreme

Ironic really when girls in skirts are seen as smutty little temptresses who need to he told they can't wear skirts to remove the temptation from.thise who cant control themselves

But boys wearing skirts to protest against the shorts rules are applauded.

Do people honestly believe that removing skirts will somehow change this embedded low opinion.of girls.

Or are just trying to remind girls how lucky they are to be allowed into schools on the first place and can only continue to Do so provided they look like the boys...

Uniform available to all. Easy solution

"But no one cares that men are heavily resticted in what they can wear."
Well, I do care. But I don't think it's up to me to do anything about it. Why aren't men campaigning about this if it's important to them?

This woman objected to having to wear high heels at work. She stuck her neck out and made a massive point about inequality when it comes to unreasonable dress codes in the workplace.

If she can do it, so can men.

@noeffingidea my opinion is not absolute rubbish. It is my opinion, which you may or may not agree with.

Society is becoming completely ridiculous and schools in this country are just pandering to all the weirdos who tell us females need to dress like boys to be "respected" and all the folks pushing the OTT trans initiatives eroding women's rights. Girls should be allowed to be girls and have the CHOICE to wear skirts or trousers. We seem to encourage rights for some and be eroding rights of others in the mad process

Schools ought to be focusing on teaching our children properly ( their job and right now our teaching is not as good as a many other countries) and leave uniforms as they are.