Schoolgirls face ban on skirts.

[Gruach]

Personally, I appear to have lost all power of speech ...

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f08d6f1a-7ca5-11e8-8ce4-0bcac63244b2

I think that when a girl just stars her period and it’s not yet comfortable with her body and sometimes periods can be very heavy until they settle it’s important to have a choice of clothing. I would have hated to be made to wear trousers when I was that girl.

Women have worn skirts for centuries.

That’s the real defintion of equality, not dictating what girls cannot wear.
I think you're struggling with the definition of uniform. It by definition dictates what girls and boys can and cannot wear. It's funny that people are so agahst at girls having to wear what boys have been forced to wear since uniform was invented. Why were you all not up in arms for the sake of the poor boys forced into trousers?

ChardonnaysPrettySister That is so tenuous. I don't see why heavy periods are helped by wearing a skirt!

You don’t.

Doesn’t mean It’s the same for everybody else.

Surely if skirts were banned in schools then wannabe trans would complain that they were now denied the experience of wearing skirts (born having XY sex chromosomes and all that who identify as women) and they are the ones who are being appeased and all costs lately.

Alternatively if trousers for allbecame the norm then some school would switch to pale coloured trousers just to make like difficult for girls having periods, as it seems to be making life difficult for women and taking hard won freedoms away is the way stuff is going these days.

Women have worn skirts for centuries

They were also banned from being doctors, lawyers and teachers for centuries.

I agree with Chardonnay - personally I still prefer skirts during periods (I can’t wear tampons). I suppose this is triggering to some trans activists to say because they haven’t had periods and I shouldn’t remind them of this

"Why were you all not up in arms for the sake of the poor boys forced into trousers?"
Well, partly because trousers in some form or another have. Web standard male dress in England since medieval times. But actually yes I am-although calling it being up in arms is a bit of a stretch! That's why I think that there should be clothes and that people should be allowed to wear whatever they want to wear. Which includes girls wearing skirts if they want to.

Why would a school change to pale coloured trousers just to make it more difficult for girls to have a period? That sounds like some kind of conspiracy theory.

Sorry, I meant to say that women wearing skirts for centuries is physiologically a good idea.

No need to bring voting into this. It’s a completely different angle.

Why should we be aghast at boys being forced to wear trousers? There's nothing wrong with trousers.

The point here is that girls are being told they can't wear skirts. Why? Why not allow boys to wear skirts if they want, rather than restrict and remove choices for females?

I'll tell you why. Because it's always fucking ok to take things from us to make males feel better. Always. Our opinions matter less.

Pitterpatter:

No struggle here thanks!

Uniform definition: “the distinctive clothing worn by members of the same organization or body or by children attending certain schools”

Distinctive clothing. Doesn’t have to be exactly the same, just a set colour or logo or something to show everyone is part of the same thing.

Schools are not (should not!) be a dictatorship and some flexibility must be employed, especially when dealing with children.

Well, many years ago my school did in fact campaign to let boys wear shorts actually and we won! We had some pretty strong-willed and liberal parents, if a boy did want to wear a skirt then I’m sure we would’ve campaigned for that too!

I don't get it, why do girls who are girls need to stop wearing skirts to make other people feel better - surely other people can wear skirts if they like?

ScipioAfricanus I agree girls have been rolling up their skirts for decades. I can't remember at my school many years ago that they were so short that you could see bum cheeks and underwear as I have said in my previous post. Maybe some schools including my daughters have got fed up with dealing with it so have brought in the skirt ban.

You can wear shorts under a skirt and know no one can see the lines through it .

The issue is not So much skirts vs trousers as the fact that the very skirts and trousers they Have to wear. Fitting kids at varying stages of development into the same 3 approved items and have them all feel and look smart and comfortable is an impossibility.

And even when people wear the approved items anyone who has a body shape that means it's tighter around the thighs or bottom or the hip waist ration means the skirt appears shorter or slips down etc means those kids are then sent home etc for wearring correct uniform.

Anyone woth an ounce of common sense knows the same item looks different on different people...

I have a big bum so skirts always look shorter on me.

I have a small waist and big hips and bum so any trousers that fit over the butt are massive around the waist and short legs mean they trail along the floor. Every pair of trousers I own is frayed at the bottom very badly.

"Who is 'slut shaming'?"

Everybody saying that girls have brought this on themselves.

And often with secondary uniform the sizes of the correvt stuff don't go to a small enough size

For instance our website the skirt goes down to 20 but the trousers and pe skirt start at 24.

I tried a pair of 22/24 trousers on dd yesterday. Too big.

I am against this, but am struggling to arriculatr why due to the below thoughts.

I think it's the same situation as with toilets; if schools offer a choice (male, female or unisex, be it loos or clothes) then those who choose unisex or the 'wrong' clothes for their sex will still be the 'different' ones who have attention drawn to them. Leaving a single uniform option means that that is less likely, which I get. I'm not sure it's a bad thing tbh, if it keeps some dysphoric kids off medication/surgery for longer. But OTOH, why the fuck should females be restricted yet again to suit males?

Gah. Am conflicted.

This 'war on skirts' is just another in a long line of high commands about what is and what isn't ok for women to wear, do and act like.

But it's wrapped nice and neatly in a lovely big woke bow. So we'll all nod along and cry "What about men though! Quite right! Aren't we inclusive!"

I don't see how it helps the trans kids anyway.

It doesn't work without the stereo types so woth no skirt to wear won't that distress the M2F ?

And trousers are an option for eveeyone or should be surely non binary or gender fluid will just alternate skirts and trousers or wear trousers?

Giles I think people should be able to buy uniforms from supermarkets/other suppliers, and that should really get round that problem. They usually do have a variety of shapes and sizes to fit everyone.
My daughter has always been very slim but I've akways been able to buy trousers that fit her. It was actually one of my sons that was the awkward one and BHS were the only place that sold trousers that really fitted him.

Chardonnay who mentioned voting?

madness girls wear skirts and boys wear trousers how it has always been and always should be

Equality doesn't mean everyone has to be the same, it means everyone has the same access to make a free choice.