Was your daughter on a school trip at Alton towers today?

[Zzz1234]

Was she late for her bus? did the teacher lose his rag at her in the middle of the entrance area? If so is she ok?

Can’t believe what I saw today, two girls were 20 mins late back, yes they should be in trouble but they did not deserve some teacher screaming at them, I was 75 metres away and could hear everything I felt so sorry for the girls. I was in a queue and I wasn’t talking about it to the other people in the queue, I was about to go over, but another teacher did.

Would love the name of the school to make a complaint to. Heat is not an excuse, I have lived in hot countries and never saw a teacher lose it like he did.

I know it’s not Aibu but posted here for traffic....

If these kids had more bollocking at home when they deserve it, they would probably have more respect for their teachers in the first place.

A patient-health care professional is a totally different to this scenario. If they are obstructing their treatment, it only affects them, if their behaviour is such that is unacceptable, they probably will be escorted off the premise by security and won't be treated.

Weed Yes shooting them is I think going too far

Just interested but if a health care professional shouted at a patient and made a patient cry because they were obstructing their own care and the care of other patients would they not have their professionalism called into question despite being "only human"?

Um how is that remotely similar? Do patients frequently gang up and try their hardest to push the buttons of HCPs? Because that is what kids do to teachers.

Also just interested- do you think there is NEVER a situation where a teacher should shout at a pupil?

ZZ it depends on the situation, tbh, but in this case, yes. What did you want him to do? Pat the entitled little gits on the head and tell them not to worry, just because they have inconvenienced everyone else? He doesn't have to do that - the parents undoubtedly will, just like you would have done.

I think you should wind your neck in and mind your own business. No doubt you are 'that mum' at school.

I've been in the same position as that teacher too, but at a different theme park.

Four boys who are always always always a right pain in the arse, and told everyone in advance that they would be late because the bus 'wouldn't dare' go without them. We were forty minutes late leaving, hit rush hour traffic, had complaints from parents waiting at the other end.

The only way to punish them was to shout, especially as their cool image was the most important thing to them. What else could we do? A stern word didn't work with those pupils because they just didn't care, about staff or anyone else. A detention next week? They'd swagger onto the bus wearing it like a badge of honour.

If the teacher was shouting loud enough for 200 people to stare then I think he probably overdid it but I also can't get worked up about it, no wonder employers are complaining about the delicate flowers we're sending their way nowadays.

peakpants quite right, my experience is irrelevant here. I meant to add that my post was purely for fatmavis who has no clue about the damage that over the top screaming can have on impressionable young people.

Honestly OP they deserved it.

How would you have felt sat waiting to pick your dc up at the school in the swealtering heat because they were late or your children missed their sports club or music lesson, no refund, as a result or you ran the coach company and had to pay the driver for an extra hour whilst knowing someone else's snowflake couldn't be arsed to get back in time despite no doubt having a mobile phone in their pocket with the time on the front, whilst managing to update their Insta story with clips of their day out.

They were taking the absolute piss and deserved the humiliation. Personally I feel a dressing down in public is an incredibly effective punishment for a teen.

I often think how much petty crime would be reduced if the stocks were brought back 😂

I would have told the bus driver to go hide round a corner so it looked like they left

I doubt the teacher had lost control. Teachers in danger of losing control don’t run trips to Alton Towers. As a PP suggested, he might have been designated ‘bad cop’ in this instance.

And those suggesting that this could be traumatic for anyone who had been lost or was suffering trauma at home forgets that the teachers know their students. A teacher who knows the children well would be able to tell whether it was accidental, or genuine non-compliance, because he would know their behaviour patterns and would get the picture from the way the students presented themselves. None of this can be judged from someone 70m away.

LilMadAgain of course, and yes of course it can have a deep impact. However, on the assumption that these girls are not abused at home and are teenagers (and are in a pair), I find it unlikely that a teacher shouting at them would have left mental scars. I think it is quite different when the abuse is by a parent or maybe even a class teacher at primary school. However, at secondary school, kids will have about 15 different teachers, often changing every year, and I doubt one severe telling off will be damaging to them.

What did the teacher actually say? If it was GET ON THE BUS NOW that’d be different from ‘you’re both idiots who will never anount to anything.’ The latter I’d have much more of an issue with than loud shouting. I don’t like shouting at kids but it could be one of the occasions where it makes an impact. Also -75m really?

The stories that any teacher could tell you about school trips and the children on them.

But of course we can't because telling that side of the story would be wrong.

So you get those people that see from the outside (the OP) and the stories from the children themselves.

liitle I am so far from being ‘that mum’, i have helped on school trips, worked as a TA, I have always totally supported my kids schools, however, I have never seen/heard a teacher shout so loudly as that teacher did today.

The rest of the coach would have been watching them receive their punishment. If they only got a mild word then it's hardly an incentive not to do it again. Next year, half the year group will be late. It's ok, they will say, sir says he's disappointed and that's it.

And those suggesting that this could be traumatic for anyone who had been lost or was suffering trauma at home forgets that the teachers know their students. A teacher who knows the children well would be able to tell whether it was accidental, or genuine non-compliance, because he would know their behaviour patterns and would get the picture from the way the students presented themselves.

Exactly. Teachers are made fully aware of things like if a pupil is in LA foster care due to an unstable home situation. My guess is that these girls had a history of taking the piss and showing disregard for rules. I really doubt someone would lose their rag at an otherwise model pupil who was late back because she got lost for instance.

Controlled shouting is fine and is used at schools for impact. Sometimes teenagers need to fucking know what they did was shitty. And this was shitty. Completely selfish and completely uncalled for. They know that those 20 mins will mean some children may not get their bus or put people out picking up. People who might need to get to a job. Younger children who might need to go to clubs. Babies that might need a feed etc. When you’re in a community such as a school everyone has to muck in and follow the bloody rules for a reason. We didn’t make rules just to be dicks.

All the comparisons to other jobs are ridiculous. Teachers are expected to instill discipline in schools. Punish poor behaviour etc. Following schools code of contact, the school rules etc. The outrageous comparisons to other professions are pointless. I can’t think of another profession where you are expected to guide and model and discipline like teachers are.

Unfortunately it’s snowflake behaviour which means that violence on members of staff in schools is at a record high. They can’t do anything, they’ll have op and the likes of her trying to ruin their career. They just have to sit there and take poor behaviour.

Can't believe the OP is going to potentially get some poor teacher reprimanded for this, as she says she has had a PM off someone whose kid was on the trip. OP, you should be fucking ashamed of yourself, you really really should.

This.
What a horrible thread.

those kids will be working soon(?).Maybe they needed a reality check.

When i was at primary school, a kid actually got left behind at gullivers world.

YABVU OP.

Honestly you don't have a fucking clue.

mrmeseeks I haven’t had a pm off anyone, I was there I saw it and the treachers behaviour was just as crap as the girls.

How fucking sanctimonious. I don't blame Liver for saying what she said.