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Original poster

Was your daughter on a school trip at Alton towers today?

675 replies

Zzz1234 · 29/06/2018 18:42

Was she late for her bus? did the teacher lose his rag at her in the middle of the entrance area? If so is she ok?

Can’t believe what I saw today, two girls were 20 mins late back, yes they should be in trouble but they did not deserve some teacher screaming at them, I was 75 metres away and could hear everything I felt so sorry for the girls. I was in a queue and I wasn’t talking about it to the other people in the queue, I was about to go over, but another teacher did.

Would love the name of the school to make a complaint to. Heat is not an excuse, I have lived in hot countries and never saw a teacher lose it like he did.

I know it’s not Aibu but posted here for traffic....

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mostdays · 29/06/2018 20:03

I get the reaction to shout furiously at a missing child who has returned and is safe and well. God knows ds1 has terrified me that way enough times. But shouting loud and long enough that a bystander can hear from 75m away and is concerned goes far beyond that initial angry relief.

Masterbuilders · 29/06/2018 20:03

Goodness me and people wonder why teachers are leaving. Secondary schools and primary for that matter are rife with poor behaviour. I know the teachers and my child’s secondary can shout. So what. If it is a well deserved telling off good luck to them. If it’s every lesson just becaus then no.

These girls would’ve had the teacher worried. Not to mention the the coach driver moaning, potentially incurring charged of the coach misses another job. Oh and the parents would’ve been straight on to the school, especially if the coach then hit traffic.

Not to mention the other kids who had to sit there and wait in this heat. Sorry no, they deserved to be told off. Not a there, there girls that was a poor choice, don’t do it again. That’s half the problem nowadays. That and the rent a mob online vigilantism just like you’re attempting here op. You had an issue, you should’ve said so at the time instead of a one person witch hunt. YABU.

PeakPants · 29/06/2018 20:04

What if the girl(s) receiving the abuse was already being abused at home and screaming/shouting are triggers for that child?

Oh yeah, maybe he should have given a trigger warning before opening his mouth and told them off through the medium of mime to avoid this happening. What kind of schooling system would you have if a teacher can never raise their voice to a child. Sorry for what happened to you but it's not relevant to this issue.

PolkerrisBeach · 29/06/2018 20:04

Aww, poor ickle lickle delicate petals, being shouted at by the nasty man!

How DARE HE try to get through their vacant little skulls that being 20 minutes late back is selfish in the extreme?

Of course they weren't in danger, of course it wasn't abuse, of course they should have been given a bollocking for being little shits.If my child had behaved like that she'd be getting another similar bollocking for me when she got home.

BoneyBackJefferson · 29/06/2018 20:05

A simple fact

If these girls had gone by themselves they would have missed the bus home.

They did this because they new whatever time they decided to turn up at the school bus would still be there.

Apparently we aren't allowed to worry about the girls being late,
or the increased travel time,
the parents that will complain that the bus is late,
the staff in the school that will have to put out communications that the bus will be late, or wrangle the complaints form parents,
or even those parents that will now have to go and sort out their other children and then come back,
or that the teacher/s have to stay back another couple of hours,
or that the bus may have to leave if it has been hired off a firm that uses it for standard bus runs or the increased cost of the bus if it goes over the allotted time space.

But then these are all over shadowed by the poor ickle girls that caused this all to happen.

YoucancallmeVal · 29/06/2018 20:05

As a teacher, I'm wondering precisely what those who think shouting is wrong would propose he did? He can't send them to senior leadership- he had to get them on the bus and home. A stern word is of no consequence whatsoever and a punishment for next week serves no purpose at all. So what should he have done? No bloody wonder some kids are bloody nightmares. "Oh, did you forget the time, you are ever so late! Never mind, mistakes happen...."

RomeoBunny · 29/06/2018 20:06

Jesus fuck OP. I imagine the whole point probably was to make a holy show of them. And good on him. They wont do it again next year will they?

I bet you were exactly that girl 20 years ago, or rather one of her snivelling mates.

You need to get a grip. Honestly.

BBCK · 29/06/2018 20:06

OP I doubt the teacher had lost control. Most teachers fake “losing it” to scare/impress the other kids. The others need to see that the miscreants got punished. Teaching is all smoke and mirrors and requires skill and judgement. The teacher was probably very pissed off as well, especially as he wasn’t getting paid for the 8? Hours of overtime he was doing

NotTakenUsername · 29/06/2018 20:06

Op for all you know, he second teacher was playing good cop after bad cop had his say.

Simple and effective.

Weedinosaurus · 29/06/2018 20:07

Since when did shooting become the worst thing in the world??? It's not that bad and in this situation was warranted. I shout in class occasionally. Never had any problems or anyone complain about it. Total load of snowflakes... And I hate that expression. OP - get a grip.. oh and try teaching!!!

Original poster
Zzz1234 · 29/06/2018 20:07

mostdays Thankyou, however most people see it as teacher bashing...

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Weedinosaurus · 29/06/2018 20:08

Ooh dear- shouting. Shooting is pretty bad. Damn autocorrect.

abilockhart · 29/06/2018 20:08

The person who suggested the way to deal with this was to get the girls to apologise to the rest of the bus has obviously no experience of managing a large groups of teenagers.

No doubt the OP would then have complained that the teacher humiliated the girls by forcing them to apologise.

ikeepaforkinmypurse · 29/06/2018 20:10

Being told off in public for being disrespectful, selfish and unreasonable doesn't qualify as being humiliated.

It's never pleasant to be told off, even as an adult, but when you messed up, that's what happened. In this case, next time be on time.

LipstickHandbagCoffee · 29/06/2018 20:10

shakeyourcaboose, if you are genuinely deterred from a teaching career for such insubstantial reasons then it’s not the career for you. Certain jobs suffer from lack of understanding of the complexity & depth of skills. To the extent they become demonised. If derogatory comments about teaching put you off,then it’s prob not career for you

beclev24 · 29/06/2018 20:10

haven't RTFT but it's totally possible that the kids were also lost/ scared etc etc. That happened to me once ona . school trip- I lost my way and couldn't find the bus and was utterly terrified. BEing shouted at like that would have been awful.

I agree- if a teacher can't hold it togeher and stop himself from losing his rag in a stressful situation then he shouldn't be teaching. I hold it together at work, no matter how stressful- I wouldn't start screaming at a client or boss. Nor should he.

fatfeckingmavis · 29/06/2018 20:11

To all those worried about repercussions for the teacher... Honestly, if I worked at a school that reprimanded me after a random member of the public complained after gathering info on mumsnet... well let’s just say I’d be the one chosing to make it my last day working there. Anywhere that would take on the word of a random person over their own staff isn’t a good place to work anyway.

Xenadog · 29/06/2018 20:11

I’ve been in the position of that teacher at Alton towers and ended up waiting over an hour for three selfish individuals to get themselves back to the coach. Did we shout at the the kids? You bet we did. They deliberately chose to come back late and did not care that one of their classmates was now going to go home very late (later than an hour due to amount of traffic) and be overdue taking their heart medication and that another was going to miss her girl guide camping trip as that coach would have left by the time we returned. This is without adding the fact that everyone had to wait, not knowing what was happening and had their own evening plans disrupted.

The selfish kids definitely deserve a bollocking of the highest order when it has such massive ramifications for others. If anyone thinks this is wrong I suggest you put yourself out organising a trip, have the responsibility of looking after so many kids and then deal with the worry and panic of having some not turn up when they should have.

The girl today deserved more than a teacher shouting at her, she should be prevented from ever attending any more trips and be in detention until the end of the year.

YouCanCallMeNancy · 29/06/2018 20:13

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ppandj · 29/06/2018 20:14

Just interested but if a health care professional shouted at a patient and made a patient cry because they were obstructing their own care and the care of other patients would they not have their professionalism called into question despite being "only human"?

The kids' behaviour was undoubtedly wrong but it sounds like it was handled very badly in my opinion.

StepBackNow · 29/06/2018 20:14

I bet you were the school sneak, OP.

Justify yourself all you like, most people think you are being interfering. Why would you do that?

Aeroflotgirl · 29/06/2018 20:14

Poor little petals, nowonder they find the adult world hard, when they have never had to take responsibility for their actions.

llangennith · 29/06/2018 20:15

I’d have shouted too. Selfish girls.

mysocksmakemeitchy · 29/06/2018 20:16

Selfish, entitled teenagers are shouted at shocker Hmm

SimplySteve · 29/06/2018 20:16

You make it sound as though this is a rare occurrence at AT. It's really not. DD works there and it's very commonplace for late arrivals to get yelled at.

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