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AIBU?

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To want to escalate this?

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rosesandflowers1 · 27/06/2018 21:33

Prepared to be told that I'm BU as I'm very emotionally invested in this and sorry for the essay in advance

When DD1 was at primary, she had a problem right from the beginning with a particular girl. Just silly things like "I don't like [DD]'s hair today" or saying she couldn't play with them. It was very childish and silly but they were children and it was impacting DD quite a lot so eventually we had a word with the school. They had a whole class discussion about being nice with each other and promised to keep a better eye on DD, especially when interacting with this girl, which satisfied us then.

A couple of weeks later DD told us that her teacher (who had kept her promise) had witnessed a nasty comment and reprimanded the girl. From then on DD didn't complain to us anymore and we assumed (very wrongly) that it had just taken a sharp word to sort the girl out. DH and I know now that this was very naïve, please don't flame me for our past handling of this because I want to focus on what's currently going on.

What essentially happened is the girl became very sneaky in the way that she would make these comments, and make them privately to DD when teachers and other classmates wouldn't hear them. She also repeatedly told DD, "nobody likes a tell-tale" etc. as well as other people in the class, which created a culture within their year group as hating "snitching". It caused problems for other students as well but mainly DD, who was very anxious/sensitive and so stopped telling us when the girl made remarks. She also did things like conditionally allowing DD to sit or play with her, based on her "behaviour" that day, so DD was desperate for her approval.

Over the years these comments escalated massively from nasty to absolutely vile. They brought me to tears the first time I heard them. DD went through a period of anxiety, paranoia and just self-hatred over Years 4 & 5, and part of Year 6, but wouldn't tell us where it wasn't coming from. Then one day a boy overheard her talking to my DD. He was upset by the comments and told his father, who reported it to the school and they "investigated further" but not much was done. Until this girl's mother marched up to my DD in the playground and very loudly asked her "why are you making up lies about [her daughter]?" DD said she wasn't telling lies, not even assertively, it was more like a plead, and then the mother began screaming and raging, shouting abuse. She actually looked unhinged. My very anxious and sensitive DD burst into tears and after that the school took it much more seriously.

It turned out that as well as the absolutely vile remarks (which I still don't know where she got, they were repulsive), the girl was doing things like ruining DD's clothes and hiding her things in the classroom. This was about four weeks before the end of term before it came to light, so while the school kept them separated and monitored (and made the girl apologise Hmm), not much was done as they were leaving, to different schools. DD hasn't had contact with this girl since but it still took her years and counselling sessions at her new school to be open about her emotions and say when something bothered her. Her anxiety/paranoia lessened some years ago but has got worse Year 11.

A week ago this girl sent a friend request on Instagram. Neither DH nor I were happy about this at all, but DD looked very happy with it. It just reminded me of little her overjoyed that she was allowing DD to play with her today Sad But DD very much wanted to do it - said they hadn't had any contact in 5 years, it was just seeing each others photos, she wanted to put it behind her etc. etc. We agreed but on the condition that DD told us anything that happened and if it began making her anxious/uncomfortable she was to block the girl straight away.

Two days ago DD posted a photo and the girl commented "hmm." DD immediately became very anxious about it, and eventually took the photo down because it upset her so much. DH and I said she was to block the girl and DD agreed it would be best for her.

This evening a girl that was in their class sent DD a screenshot. A girl had posted a silly mugshot of herself and the girl had commented "you look like [DD]". Another friend that DD used to school with commented that it was unkind, which helped a little, but DD was still horrendously upset Sad She hates the idea of this girl making comments about her and is worried it means people won't like her anymore! She talks to literally the one girl who defended her, but is still upset at the thought that they wouldn't like her. It's awful and I don't want this nightmare back in our lives.

DH says DD should make it clear to the friend that DD doesn't want or need any more screenshots, and DD needs some help (possibly professional) at literally just forgetting this nasty girl. We had a nice spa day together to take her mind off of it, DH made her favourite dinner for tea and now she's watching a bit of TV with DS before bed. She seems a lot happier but the more I think about it I want some actual action taken. I'm just so upset on her behalf and don't want this to escalate again.

AIBU to want to do more than simply remove this girl from DD's life? I don't want to make it into something bigger than it is and stress DD out, and I don't know what we could even do. I'm not sure if I'm just out for petty revenge or punishment for this girl because at this point I've lost any objectivity, but the more I think about it the more I want something more to be done.

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MrTrebus · 27/06/2018 21:40

How old is your DD now?

rosesandflowers1 · 27/06/2018 21:41

She's 16, just done her GCSE's.

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UpstartCrow · 27/06/2018 21:43

She has persistently targeted and bullied your DD, and now its cyberbullying. Its time to go to the police.
Get some screen shots if you can.

SmashedMug · 27/06/2018 21:49

I think the focus should be on helping your dd move on from it as much as she can. Going to the police or escalating it now will dredge it all back up. Your dd doesn't need that or the chaos it could cause. Imagine that mother screaming at her in the playground. Would that happening again help your dd?

I feel so sorry for your dd because this girl sounds absolutely vile. A nasty sneaky bully.

PerfectlySymmetricalButtocks · 27/06/2018 21:50

No advice, but your poor DD. Flowers

Maelstrop · 27/06/2018 21:50

Please get her to message the nice girl saying no more screenshots and get her to block nasty bitch from all her social media. It’s very insidious, social media, but 2 counts or more of bullying comments=harassment under the Telecommunications Act. Maybe have a word with someone down the station/ring 101.

MrTrebus · 27/06/2018 22:07

She's 16 she needs to move on. I'd get her to go drastic, delete all social media it is the work of the devil for our young ones. Concentrate on doing new hobbies and meeting new decent friends.

NoFuckingRoomOnMyBroom · 27/06/2018 22:20

Yes to screenshots, the girl sounds vile but most likely is massively insecure & seeks validation in being a nasty little fucker. I'd definitely speak to the police as it is cyber bullying, possibly harassment & now certainly needs to be dealt with-your daughter has put up with more than enough, it's time for this shit to stop.

eggcellent · 27/06/2018 22:26

What a fucking nasty bitch. I am fuming and I don't even know your poor DD! You must be absolutely raging, and rightly so. I'm so sorry Thanks

Racecardriver · 27/06/2018 22:27

At this point the girl is not the problem. Your DD needs some help resolving these issues. Hopefully she will never come across someone c like this ever again by nonetheless it will be good for her to sort these problems out. If some girl she went to school with years ago can make her feel this c way imagine how she could be made to feel by a future boss who has it in for her or a less than gentlemanly boyfriend.

Racecardriver · 27/06/2018 22:28

Agree with PP about speaking to police as well. You need to help her stand up for herself.

RedHelenB · 27/06/2018 22:45

Would the comment hmm really be cyber bullying? Definitely unfriend, this girl imps bringing nothing to your dds life.

CanaBanana · 27/06/2018 22:57

I dont think there's much more you can do other than block and ignore, especially as the girls are at different schools and haven't seen each other for years. However I would monitor for any further harassment, take screenshots and contact the police if the girl doesn't leave your DD alone.

Fruitcorner123 · 27/06/2018 23:07

So sorry for you and your DD. This girl sounds like a truly horroile person and it's so unfortunate that your DD had to meet her at such a young age.

I agree with others keep screenshots and escalate if necessary but get your DD to tell her friend not to send her anymore screenshots and make sure she agrees to block this girl from all social media.

I would also look at more private counselling if you can afford it so that an opportunity to reconnect with this bully again isn't something that she would agree to. Until she doesn't care what this girl thinks there is still the need for counselling I think.

MissEliza · 27/06/2018 23:09

Take screenshots, block and ignore. (Part of me would like you to go round and scream at her and her parents on the doorstep but that's not very dignified!)

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/06/2018 23:16

"Nasty... vile... bitch... fucker"? Really? We are talking about a 16 yo girl here. Her behaviour may be foul, and it is, but we have no idea what is going on in her life and we are adults.

FWIW DD had one of these and I suspect there was at least criminal neglect and possibly sexual abuse. You never know.

Fruitcorner123 · 27/06/2018 23:24

mrsterrypratchett at 16 I would say she is capable of recognising when her behaviour is right or wrong.It may be the result of a horrendous upbringing but she is still capable of judgment. At 18 we would expect her to take full legal responsibility so at 16 it's surely reasonable to expect her to shoulder most of the blame. We do our teenagers no favours by seeing all those who bully as victims. We can treat them as victims if we like but the moment they turn 18 they will be treated like criminals.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/06/2018 23:28

What she has done as a 16 yo is this:

Two days ago DD posted a photo and the girl commented "hmm." DD immediately became very anxious about it, and eventually took the photo down because it upset her so much. DH and I said she was to block the girl and DD agreed it would be best for her.

This evening a girl that was in their class sent DD a screenshot. A girl had posted a silly mugshot of herself and the girl had commented "you look like [DD]".

Not nice but not criminal unless it's part of a pattern of harassment. And I'm not saying she's necessarily a victim. And I called her behaviour 'foul'. But she is being called much worse, online, by adults, with no redress. Much worse. Pot/kettle?

Fishface77 · 27/06/2018 23:30

So that’s an excuse to bully others is it MrsTerryPratchett?
16 is old enough to know better.
How did you deal with your dd bully?

peoplearemean · 27/06/2018 23:32

I think block and ignore for now but are you in the same town? Are they likely to end up at 6th form or on nights out together?

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/06/2018 23:33

So that’s an excuse to bully others is it MrsTerryPratchett?

Nope. But she's a child and I'm assuming the people calling her a 'fucker' and 'bitch' on here are grown adults.

DD's bully? Sheesh, it was a bloody nightmare. Lots of stuff; school, parents, meds (for her), I reported the neglect but nothing happened, separated them mostly.

SmashedMug · 27/06/2018 23:33

But she is being called much worse, online, by adults, with no redress. Much worse. Pot/kettle?

Bit of a difference between commenting on someone's shitty behaviour on an anonymous forum and purposefully being unkind to someone directly in the sneaky ways that girls and women tend to do.

MrsTerryPratchett · 27/06/2018 23:34

If everyone is happy with a child being called a 'fucker' and 'bitch' I'll bow out.

Leeds2 · 27/06/2018 23:36

Will your DD be going to the same Sixth form/College as the other girl?

TheIsland · 27/06/2018 23:40

I’d be working on her resilience, although I appreciate that’s hard when it’s been 11yrs of this, although easier now than her doing it aged 30.

Talk about how you would deal with a situation like that - ie you’d delete the person online, focus on the people who matter to you, maybe feel sad for the other person etc.