Cultural appropriation

[Londonerlove]

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

@bert please tell me you are not implying oppression towards black people is somewhat my fault?

@mrsmint - tell that to the many women of colour who write about cultural appropriation

Again, I assume you’re white

So if an Indian woman wears jeans, is it cultural appropriation?

Did you read the thread? Sometimes I wonder whether people even think before they post. Obviously an Indian woman wearing jeans is nothing to do with cultural appropriation because white people are not oppressed for wearing jeans. The difference is that many Indian women in this country are oppressed for wearing their traditional dress, whereas when white people do it they are seen as fashionable. So if a white person is going to wear a sari they should research what it actually is before wearing it out of respect for the thousands of Indian women who are oppressed for wearing the same.

claire you seem to be just making up your own ideas about what cultural appropriation is. It has to be related to culture otherwise it would be called sacred appropriation and we wouldn’t be having the discussion we are all having now.

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You do sound aggressive. I have worn saris to Asian friends weddings. They are beautiful and it’s a piece of clothing

Look you can 100% stand against racism and sexism but by being so dictatorial and outraged by things like clothes and hair that really are anyone’s choice to make you are creating divides.

It really is none of your business if I wear a sari or not. It really isn’t. It’s not your business if another woman of any colour braids their hair.

It’s controlling and mysogynistic bollocks wrapped up in this silly phrase.

I'm not making up anything

If a sacred object or ritual is copied mockingly or casually, this is a reason to be offended.

If someone wears their hair or clothing, or eats food from a different tradition, this is not a source of offense, except to people who are LOOKING to cause friction, put people down and oppress others

Londoner oppression towards black people is throughout culture and so linked to all of us, even if very far removed.

I’m partly black but oppression is linked to me through my white heritage. It’s linked to my husband who currently works for a company that avoids hiring black people in higher up positions. Just some examples but this is why I think we should at least notice when these things happen, rather than pretending that it’s not an issue.

Its also ridiculous to claim africans have been braiding their hair or wearing dreadlocks longer than any other group of people. Of course they haven't. Human hair is human hair, braids and dreadlocks are univeral

claire cultural appropriation is a well known thing, are you trying to say it doesn’t exist? I disagree. If you read my previous posts, I’m not offended by people wearing hairstyles or clothing but I would like people to be aware of the effects of cultural appropriation.

Who the hell does strongmummy think she is? The cultural police? Mind your own business and stop looking for issues when they don't exist (you just devalue the instances where they actually do).

@downthestrada I will not be blamed for something that uncle John did hundreds of years ago.

@deltag can I apply your philosophy to the whole thread 😂

It’s controlling and mysogynistic bollocks wrapped up in this silly phrase.
No, that would be your stance.

claire nobody says they have. I haven’t seen anything like that on this thread. But the effect where white woman get praise for their braids and black women don’t is a bit shit, is it not?

If you’re talking about my example earlier, that white woman was definitely playing on the fact that she was doing what She thought was black hairstyles.

@delta yes I am the cultural police and I’m coming for YOU! 🤣🤣

"@tacolover the fact you are labelling people of being culturally inappropriate when in actual fact they are neither appropriate or appreciation. Just another label to offend.

I am white and in this thread I have been made to feel like oppression towards black people is somewhat linked to me."

How have you been made to feel like this? And you're the one calling others ignorant snowflakes when they speak up about the racial discrimination they face. Your opinion on this subject as a white person is somehow more important than a POC who has actually faced appropriation of their own culture? If you are not affected by an issue then you don't have any idea what it's like. Why should you get to decide whether it's offensive? I'm apparently just labelling people to offend; well if people weren't offending me in the first place I wouldn't need to label them would I you feel like oppression has been linked to you. You, you, you. All about the white people's feelings and not about the POC's actual concerns about their cultures being used for fashion. No, we should just shut up and take it in case we hurt your precious feelings

Londoner it’s not about blame, it’s just that we are linked and connected in some way. Ignoring this doesn’t help at all. It just lets the shit situation carry on.

Cultural Appropriation?

Well, I've committed no offences so you'll have had a wasted visit, sorry!

@tacolover it’s people like you who will not let racism come to an end. Tbh you and @strongmummy seem to hold a lot of resentment towards god knows who.
I’m going to give my mum a call and have a go at her because I’m white!

cultural appropriation is a well known thing, are you trying to say it doesn’t exist? - 90% of it is pure fantasy.

Unless the object or ritual being copied is sacred.

Otherwise saying "its a well known thing" is meaningless drivel.

its one of those phrases used to try and say "what I'm saying is totally devoid of content, but I win anyway, because this word or phrase automatically puts the other person in the wrong"

other examples include "she's a narc" and "I think he is on the spectrum"

etc

its gaslighting, pure and simple

Tacolover thanks for your replies. They are hilarious. So ferals wearing dreads to look homeless should have educated themselves about other unrelated contexts. Hilarious. Have you thought about writing for Everyday Feminism?
As for Strongmummy telling Irish people they look white, so have white privilege, and are therefore beneficiaries of western hegemony, well, words fail me. Do you say this to Jewish Holocaust survivors? Do you say this to Aust Aboriginal people who were removed for looking white?
As for this comment of yours, well, it says it all really about your struggles with critical thinking:
So therefore do you tell Australian Aboriginal people stolen from their mothers that they shouldn't practice culture?

Londonlover racism isn’t coming to an end any time soon, especially if we keep ignoring everything even the small things. It’s not about resentment. I can only speak for myself but I certainly don’t resent people who wear dreads or other culture’s clothing, but I think it’s good be be aware of cultural appropriation and maybe try and deal with it in a better way.

To quote @londonerlove “@tacolover it’s people like you who will not let racism come to an end”

Yeah it’s the people pointing out their experience of racism that’s causing the racism.

A worrying new phenomenon I have noticed on this thread is the appropriation of feminism....