Cultural appropriation

[Londonerlove]

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

@MariaMadita

Ah see I totally get you RE the blackface etc, but I pictured the working men's club scenario differently. A bit like how PP mentioned upper class girls dressing as 'chavs'; that's what I assumed the hipsters were doing. They don't actually think they're overtly making fun, they just think they're being original.

strongmummy. I'm fair, blonde and blue-eyed too, so how the hell would you know whether I've got a personal cultural link to the keffiyeh simply by seeing me wearing it? I'd look exactly the same as you would in it.

if you can't see it's about a bit of basic history

Well that’s the problem really isn’t it? It’s a bit of basic history out of context and selectively presented with no depth of knowledge or understanding of the deeper issues involved. Which not very bright people swallow unquestioningly because it fits their narrative.

The whole of history is not white oppressors vs everybody else. And anybody who knows more than basic history knows that.

Gilead

No Tough I can wear what I like and do my hair how I choose.. if you are offended so be it. That’s your choice.

Throughout history the most oppressed group are women. Lots of cultural norms exist to control and manage women especially around women’s dress code and behaviour.

Fuck that. I dress how I dress. You either deal with it or not. Up to you. But I think concentrating on such ridiculous trivia is crazy. And smells mysogynistic to be honest

Maya

Ah, then we had a different interpretation of the scenario, I suppose.

And there’s enough bastard men telling women what they can or can’t wear so for so called feminists to start this crap too is beyond me.

@delta, that’s actually the reason I don’t wear it, although I have every right to, coz I think Europeans wearing it look stupid. If I’m in Jordan and if I’m going to a cultural event I may wear it with family

I wish people would stop apppropriating feminism.......

For the love of fuck, women are not immune from criticism by virtue of being female, Ohmydays. Which is what you continually seem to be implying throughout this mess of a thread.

Feminists do not have to agree with or support everything other women do.

People who see racism and draw attention to it are not racist.

HTH

Of course I don’t support anything any woman does but this new fad of culture misappropriation seems to me to mostly target women’s dress and hair choice? Agree?

This makes me uncomfortable and to see the way that young girl was pulled up bits on Twitter was appalling.

I don’t like movements that seem to target and try to conyrolwhat women wear.

You swallow the crap of you want. I don’t.

But that's your opinion; you think Europeans wearing it look stupid. I think most black and Asian people who choose to wear blue contact lenses look stupid. So what? My opinion is of no consequence on the matter and neither is yours.

It’s not racism for anyone to wear any clothing from any culture. It really isn’t and often the very people you are seeking to support either don’t care or are glad for other cultures to embrace theirs.

Professionally offended middle class nonsense.

Pretty racist to wear a Native American war head dress I would have thought. Or a turban.

Anyway thread going round in circles so out now.

I just hope this judgy bullying of women’s clothes and hair choices stays on the ridiculous twitter and in trashy mags where it belongs.

To call yourself a feminist and support this bollocks is shocking.

"This makes me uncomfortable and to see the way that young girl was pulled up bits on Twitter was appalling"
I don't think anyone should be pulled to bits on Twitter, but she had said some extremely racist things earlier. So not as simple as you think.

Dear lord Bertrand women used to wear wheezes like turbans to hold back their hair in WW2 to stop it getting caught in machinery.

Seriously you are looking to be offended on behalf of Sikhs and the original wearers of Native American war headdresses.

Go outside it’s hot. But ffs don’t put your hair in a bun or wear shorts or a bikini because lord knows how offensive that might be to some other culture! I bet you could think of someone who would be offended.

I think any instance where the intent is to deliberately mock and belittle, isn't on. It doesn't matter if it's English people in First Nations attire, Chinese teenagers dressed up as Mexicans in sombreros or black men pretending to be 'blonde bimbos'. I include drag in this too.

A Malian woman wearing a tartan print dress or an English woman wearing a keffiyeh, because they like them and wish to do so, is nobody else's fucking business.

Dear lord Bertrand women used to wear wheezes like turbans to hold back their hair in WW2 to stop it getting caught in machinery
Oh good grief, let's try a bit of historical context.

I think it's ok adopting other cultural traditions. My issue is when ethnic minorities wear traditional clothing it is considered backward or not integrating with western ideals and values. For instance I have always worn knee length dresses with trousers, reminiscent of shalwar kameez. During the 90's and in some current trends this fashion is back and also acceptable as it is a western acceptable fashion.

@MysweetAudrina yes exactly that, you said it so much better

Fuck that. I dress how I dress. You either deal with it or not. Up to you. But I think concentrating on such ridiculous trivia is crazy. And smells mysogynistic to be honest
Got to love a bit of white feminism...

Mummy well she's lived with them all through uni but it's been a bit rocky at times. She says they are not like any other friends she has ever had; quite mean girls and judgy and image conscious.

I think they have pretty much sussed DD out now and she is the token chavvy little pal. DD is a very outgoing party girl though, so a useful trump card in the popularity stakes.

An interesting recent development was DS attending one of their house parties (they have full on grafittied basement house parties complete with DJ because they are sooo cool). They were all in a tizz that he was an edgy chavvy white boy with good chat (DS has a degree from a better uni than them and is a very mild mannered civil servant who happens to wear Fred Perrys and does boxing).

LOL at Bertrand seriously complaining about women dressing up in headscarves and going to bingo.

If I did this I could most proudly state that it was my heritage! In fact i’m sure I could dig out a few photos to prove it.

Gosh, the offence to be had is endless...

"LOL at Bertrand seriously complaining about women dressing up in headscarves and going to bingo."
Because I so did that!