Cultural appropriation

[Londonerlove]

AIBU to be totally annoyed by cultural appropriation.
I read this today and though wtf!

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/newsbeat-44572555

I’m not a fan of kim but if she wants her hair in braids she can have her hair in braids?

Shouldn’t this be praised rather than attacked?
Is eating pasta cultural appropriation?

You're wrong anyway. The "cultural appropriation" stasi disapprove of many things worn or eaten through admiration. Look at the baby wearing wars. Look at those white women in North America hounded out of business for opening a Mexican eatery.

You’re lumping everyone into to categories. For and against almost. There’s loads of opinions in between.

I have no problem with those women opening that place. But, if people are choosing to go there over other places that exist and are run by Mexicans then it would be interesting to find out why and to discuss it. That’s the part that I think is important to take note of.

I’ve said over and over again that I have no interest in telling people what to do or wear. I still, however, believe that cultural appropriation exists and is something to take note of.

So the answer is getting offended at other peoples hair choice and guilting them into changing it. Its a bit Im not allowed my hair like that so no one else is confused. How about taking a stand against the racist idiots that are saying any hairdo/type/style is unprofessional for one person and not the other (due to race). Stop making divisions when there doesnt need to be.

Again, I have said over and over again that I have no issue with people’s hair choice. I’m not making decisions but I like to think about the effects of cultural appropriation. That’s all.

I just can’t get my head around women criticising fellow women for how they dress and do their hair. How can us infighting like this possibly help the cause for racial equality and harmony and feminism.

It seems to me to be the total opposite of tolerance and acceptance. A new form of hatred and mysogyny and I find it frankly frightening

So how should we take note of it then? You say you have no interest in telling other women/men how to dress or do their hair so what do you mean then? What do you object to?

I think Kim K is a problematic person. Some of my black friends feel her & her family are responsible for making traditional black body shapes more acceptable & desirable but only on white women

But is that Kim K’s fault? The fault is in the reaction to her. No one has the right to tell Kim she can’t have implants to achieve the bum that she wants?

I’m not criticising anyone or hating anyone - I see white women looking fantastic wearing things inspired by other cultures. I’m just interested in how sometimes white women get praise (or profit or something) for something that another culture wouldn’t normally get noticed for and sometimes get berated for. I don’t think we should ignore it.

bobo

Seriously are you telling me your friends care a shiny shirt what any of those Kardashian’s do? The whole family will do anything for publicity.

Yes I have I was an 18 year old student nurse when a senior consultant pinched my arse. I slapped his face.

Congratulations. But can you not have any empathy for the women who are not in a position to do that? Maybe because they have dependents or visa issues or less qualifications?

Multiple women on this thread have described the insidious dog whistle nature of this. It probably equates better to the consultant following a path which starts with calling you "poppet". Would you slap someone for that? What about "popsy", "attractive"? It builds up over time.

This is not an unusual pattern of behaviour - we see it in individuals and groups exercising control in many places (especially relationships).

So where are the rules written so we can understand them? Especially given Irish people have moved up the pecking order.
Where are Armenians on the sliding scale? Are they allowed oppression points or is it all in the past for them too? What about Japanese? They were never part of the European Imperial Project, except as trading partners, so are they POC or not?

But who is praising them? Trashy mags? Media? They say any bollocks that will sell their tripe and by people banging on about Cultural misappropriation that plays right into their Mysogynistic hands.

Great a new way to criticise women, divide women, ridicule women.

You are playing their game and inventing divides they don’t exist.

ohmydays In my example earlier, I hoped that people in my community examined why they were going to the white women for braids and why they hadn’t been interested before. Why they hadn’t gone to the black women who were already doing it.

I think some self awareness helps. Not anything too radical.

"Yes I have I was an 18 year old student nurse when a senior consultant pinched my arse. I slapped his face"

Well done. But do you have any empathy for other women who may not be brave or confident enough to do this? Or may not be in a position to commit potential career suicide?

The sisterhood is alive and well.... not.

I’m not dividing anyone, I’m perfectly happy for white women to wear braids. I’m not criticising anyone.

CH8

Of course that’s Mysogynistic behaviour we have all been there. Even my white arse has. So how does criticising other women’s hair and dress help? Women need to stand together not divided over stupid things like dress and hair.

NotMeOhNo will you do me a favour? Will you look at the didgeridoo example I gave a few posts down and give me your opinion?

Just tell Kim Kardashian to stop claiming those are Bo Derek braids.
They are FULANI braids and nothing else.

Bertrand.

Yes I do. We are stronger together so stop trying to divide us. You are playing the male game and are being exploited. While we are fighting each other Mysogyny wins.

Theycouldhavechoseneve I can’t speak for them as my experiences are different. I think it’s more that they are seen to have the surgery/fillers (although it’s not admitted too), only date black men, like the culture etc but have little advocacy for black issues.

Agree that they are fame hungry ohmydays & my friends don’t really spend much time thinking about her, it just sometimes comes up.

downthestrsda

I expect because they went to the salon they knew best to change their hair to the latest fashion. When you find a good hairdresser you stick with them.

Stop looking for sinister meanings it’s ridiculous.

I find it all confusing. Can African women of colour appropriate Indian or Japanese culture for example? Or is it only white people who can appropriate whilst the other cultures are allowed to borrow from one another?

Also I've noticed a lot of people on Twitter who rant about this sort of thing have winged eyeliner and isn't that appropriating Egypt?

How on earth is it sinister to think about it? Why are you being so extreme with everything? She was getting brand new clients. It was now cool when it wasn’t before.

Yes, I believe that me as a mixed race person, can appropriate different cultures. I don’t think it’s just white people that can do this.

If you watch real housewives of Atlanta they celebrate their bodies & in particular their butts. Thick is a compliment. For years the western ideal was very slim, then slim with big boobs but a small bum, now it’s athletic but with boobs & a bum but no belly fat. So my black friend with the big bum doesn’t feel like her body shape is anymore excepted, it’s only become desirable on a white woman if that makes sense.