...to remind people about today's march against Brexit

[twofingerstoEverything]

...starting at 12 o clock from Pall Mall.

(Piccadilly, Green Park and Charing Cross station are the nearest tubes.)

time4chocolate

Wow, what a witty retort. Usually the fall back of someone who knows they don’t have a leg to stand on.

Stop using the working class as your shield against taking responsibility for your actions.

vicky you forgot to mention straight bananas.

The uncontrolled waves of migration into the EU Conservative government policy is causing Hugh problems to our schools, housing and medical services, and pushing the pressure on the police through the roof.

I have corrected the above statement.

And migration from outside the EU is and always has been controlled.

vicky My DC school has Hugh problems, too. Bloody Hughs everywhere you look. At least three in every class. Shocking.

There were two marches today the Brexit one

A 4 hour live stream...

It's pointless. The only people to go on such a march, are those who have already washed their hair, so don't have a good enough excuse not to.

Misssusansays

Don’t think there was anything witty in my last post was there? I completely stand by my vote and would vote the same way again. I certainly don’t need to hide behind anyone or anything.

I suspect the police were put under a bit of pressure by Theresa May's cuts when she was Home Secretary.

Oh and ITV got confused

Pro-EU march: Thousands are marching through London to demand a referendum on the terms of Brexit two years on from the vote

From 30 minutes in they switch to the Brexit march which last longer than the pro EU one....
A sigh with BREXIT BETRAYED LEAVE NOW
NO DEAL IS THE BEST DEAL
can be clearly seen surrounded by people with union jacks and english flags..

BUT no mention that there was a pro Brexit march.

Funny that

A lie by omission again!

MissSusanSays

The poor voted to leave the EU despite the consequences - not that we know for sure they’lll be any significant consequences - they were willing to take a risk. It’s called ‘emotion’ politics & was discussed massively after the referendum - team remain eventually admitted they totally misjudged the mood of the country by focusing too much on the financial side of things.
There’s more to life than money, so if the poor can accept that ( & actively vote for it ) then why can’t you?
Or is it another case of a remainer knowing best?

time4chocolate

It wasn’t witty. That was sacrcasm. They only way your posts are funny is that they are so bonkers.

Just admit that you are so in love with your ideology that you don’t care about any of the possible negative effects in the lives of others. Admit that you don’t really give a shit about people losing their jobs and their homes and their families and their right to remain in the UK.

At least admit that.

I think you may have been out in the sun too long Misssusansays

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surferjet

The ‘poor’ aren’t a homogeneous group. Many of the ‘poor’ didn’t vote Leave. Many didn’t vote at all.

So stop with the crusading revolutionary bit. It’s completely transparent.

Your an ideologically motivated person who doesn’t care about anything but winning, not matter the cost.

It's gone from "new albion" to "it won't be as bad as the black death"...

surfer, do you really think that the poor who voted leave did so knowing that it would probably make them poorer?

"Your an ideologically motivated person who doesn’t care about anything but winning, not matter the cost"

Say the remainers who would give their eye teeth to have another vote in the hope that the democratic vote isn't carried out. That's wanting to win at any cost.

Say the remainers who would give their eye teeth to have another vote in the hope that the democratic vote isn't carried out. That's wanting to win at any cost

Democracy doesn’t end at the ballot box. That’s the whole point of democracy.

Good try WatermelonGlitter but that’s not it at all

I would describe your stance like someone deciding to do a parachute jump but when they get to the door of the plane they realise that they’ve got a faulty parachute but jumping anyway because they think they might see a swimming pool below and they were too stubborn to change their minds.

In short- absolute idiocy.

Presumably though, the democratic vote stands if we have another nationwide vote and remainers win? Or are you suggesting we continue to vote indefinitely because nobody can be seen to have achieved the result they want because it isn't (democratically or otherwise) fair on those who didn't want it? Of course, if you are going to accept that a second vote would be binding on the country you would then have the tricky problem of explaining why the first wasn't. The truth is that if you do anything other than accept the vote the country has already taken, you, for all intents and purposes render democracy completely worthless and sell every western democratic principal you hold dear down the river. But hey, you will have got the result you want, right? and that's all that matters, isn't it?

Are you being deliberately obtuse @WatermelonGlitter?

Do you honestly not understand why having a vote on a final deal would be positive?

Of course, if you are going to accept that a second vote would be binding on the country you would then have the tricky problem of explaining why the first wasn't

It wouldn’t be tricky in the slightest given the first referendum wasn’t legally binding...it would be simple to write it into the legislation for a final vote.

The truth is that if you do anything other than accept the vote the country has already taken, you, for all intents and purposes render democracy completely worthless and sell every western democratic principal you hold dear down the river

It really wouldn’t.

You probably should research the political system in a little more depth.

WatermelonGlitter

What are you talking about? Democracy requires constant voting. That’s why we vote in a government every five years. Having another vote on the final deal is not ‘denying the will of the people’. It is actually allowzing voters to decide on the deal which is democratic.

Democracy is by the people for the people. Surely the people should be consulted about the deal. They didn’t know what it was last time. That would be democratic.

Surely allowing MPs, our democratically elected representatives to vote on the deal as well, would be democracy too.

The only places where one vote is law forever are sham dictatorships.

There should be voting at all stages for something this momentous. Not the same vote again but votes for the relevant changes to law etc.

Misssusansays - there isn't a single person who actually knows what will really happen if Brexit takes place. Not you, not me, not any of the rest of the commenters, not one of the politicians nor any of the "experts". We can all theorise, but we don't KNOW. That's different. It's therefore a complete fallacy to suggest that someone is an idiot to continue on a course of action based on knowledge they don't have of how that action will turn out. There's no way to know UNTIL it has happened if the action was wise or not. By your logic it's equally stupid to not go ahead with it when you can't know for sure that it won't turn out well.

If the MPs stood by what they said to get elected last time then we would have been in a far stronger position to negotiate.

Our position in Europe is weakened by all the infighting and now these fickle MPs seek to be force a vote to potentially reject what they've sought to sabotage.

WatermelonGlitter

It’s fairly clear now that you and logic aren’t aquatinted. Let’s leave logic out of this for now.

Why is it wrong to let people have a vote on the final deal when we know what it is?