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To think Lord Sugar should be sacked from the BBC for his tweet?

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BlondeSea · 20/06/2018 14:10

Earlier today Lord Sugar tweeted a photo of the Senegal football team with a caption along the lines of "I recognise these from the beaches in Marbella selling sunglasses!"

He doctored the image to add pictures of sunglasses. People challenged him online and he insisted it was funny and refused to apologise however since then he has apologised - he's obviously been forced to.

I won't add the image here, it's now been taken down but you can see it if you google it. AIBU to think this is disgusting, not funny, and he should be fired from the BBC?

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bastardkitty · 20/06/2018 17:15

It's funny if you're a racist moron

clownfaces · 20/06/2018 17:16

Sadly kitty There are a fair few on this thread.

sickedupafurball · 20/06/2018 17:16

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SlothSlothSloth · 20/06/2018 17:17

So all black men who sell sunglasses on the beach are impoverished? Who's the racist?

This is so mindless I can’t even process it.

LadyLance · 20/06/2018 17:17

It's literally a joke based around racial stereotypes and all black people looking the same- of course it's racist. You can argue whether it's funny or not (it's not), but how can anyone say it's not racist?

FWIW people of historically oppressed races can be racist towards each other- especially on an individual level. When people say, for example, "black people can't be racist" they mean on a systemic level- they don't have the power to racially oppress another group.

LeggyLinda · 20/06/2018 17:17

It’s a bit disrespectful and, I personally, didn’t find it particularly funny.
However, it is no more racist than the other tweets - Eg: cars are cleaner when the Polish team play; or Nigerian team refunding ticket prices if you send bank details and PIN

abilockhart · 20/06/2018 17:19

Only the ignorant find it funny.

Moonkissedlegs · 20/06/2018 17:19

So all black men who sell sunglasses on the beach are impoverished? Who's the racist?

Nah, they are rolling in it.

Moonkissedlegs · 20/06/2018 17:20

However, it is no more racist than the other tweets - Eg: cars are cleaner when the Polish team play; or Nigerian team refunding ticket prices if you send bank details and PIN

Oh, well that's OK then, thanks for clearing that up Hmm

Gilead · 20/06/2018 17:20

Oh let me think sicked how about because I've got scars from being beaten up by racists. How about (as I pointed out on a completely different thread early this morning) because I got sacked from a Saturday job in the seventies because some twat didn't want the brown girl handling the goods. That's the simple thing.
The more difficult is try looking at European/African History. You think the French treated the senegalese well?

SlothSlothSloth · 20/06/2018 17:21

moonkissedlegs selling sunglasses on the beach is just their kink

NKFell · 20/06/2018 17:23

This thread is insane! I'm waiting for someone to refer to "playing the race card'.

The blatant racism here is ridiculous.

Missingstreetlife · 20/06/2018 17:28

I once went to a party with my friend and two children. Someone came up and said to the boys that they look like they should be in the band. Quick as a flash, she said 'they're going to be brain surgeons actually'. They're not, but they are all successful professionals.
She was offended that her kids were being judged on their appearance, especially as black children were often only thought to be good at sport and music. Ironic that the footballers have their achievements downplayed. Read citizen, an American lyric, by Claudia rankin for an account of racism in tennis toward serena williams

LakieLady · 20/06/2018 17:29

The Labour Party is a lunatic fringe

Pmsl: almost anywhere else in Europe, the Labour Party would be considered centre left, at most. Some countries have actual communist MPs and MEPs.

Anyway, to get the thread back on track, Alan Sugar is a racist twat and a hypocrite. If a prominent Labour figure had made a similar attempt at humour about Jewish people, he'd have been baying for their blood.

LeahJack · 20/06/2018 17:30

Again, hyperbole. It's not 'thought crime'. He chose to publicly post his 'joke'. And do you believe there should never be any consequences for what public figures say in public fora? Where do you draw the line?

I suggest you go and have a look at how Communist States treat thought crime and you will see exactly that this is the same.

Quite often when I read stuff like this on Mumsnet when people are trying to get someone sacked for tweeting or they’re complaining that they have relatives who won’t subscribe to the compulsory liberal lefty mindset I’m reminded of Pavlik Morozov who was celebrated as a hero by the Soviets because he informed on his own father and sent him to a Gulag.

I’m sure a lot of Mumsnetters would heartily approve of children informing on their parents for holding proscribed views that would see them hounded out of their jobs.

Except in private even Stalin said he was a nasty little swine for informing on his father, but the image served a purpose because it encouraged the useful idiots who would also behave like swine informing on those around them and enjoying the sense of control and power it gave them.

Ditto those people who informed on neighbours and colleagues to McCarthy.

And going right back to the Salem witch trials and the hysterical mob justice there.

It’s not hyperbole, these sort of moralistic, mob driven socially controlling movements have existed throughout history. Twitter mobs are just the most modern version of them, searching online for transgressions to police and sinners to denounce.

It’s driven by rather unpleasant aspects of the human psyche which enjoy persecution.

And yes it is usually done by people who are a bit thick, easily led and enjoy the feeling of superiority, power and authority it gives them.

They’re convinced that they are right and deserve the power to censure. But every single other nasty oppressive movement in history that has been enforced by people behaving in the same way has believed the same.

Threefaries · 20/06/2018 17:33

Nasty horrible comment.

IcedPurple · 20/06/2018 17:34

Your off-topic rant has nothing to do with my post, especially as you haven't actually answered my questions. So I'll repeat them:

do you believe there should never be any consequences for what public figures say in public fora? Where do you draw the line?

Moonkissedlegs · 20/06/2018 17:35

I’m reminded of Pavlik Morozov who was celebrated as a hero by the Soviets because he informed on his own father and sent him to a Gulag.

How the fuck is thinking that Alan Sugar should be held to account for a horrifically racist tweet, the same as getting someone sent to a Gulag?

It's not 'thought crime' if you put it on Twitter is it?

GardenGeek · 20/06/2018 17:38

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Gilead · 20/06/2018 17:40

Leah you've set a number of paragraphs out explaining nothing, and all the while you believe this utter nonsense, there are people becoming quietly worried about leaving the house. Maybe try thinking about what it's like for those who have been on the end of the racist beating stick before sticking up for elderly white men with a lot of money, a lot of protection, and in a position of enough power to be able to get away with posting racist crap.

NotACleverName · 20/06/2018 17:47

Can one the people who finds it funny and thinks anyone who objects is just a humourless PC bore please explain something to me: why exactly is it funny? I don't get it.

Bibesia · 20/06/2018 17:48

sir Alan on women’s hockey ‘last time is saw them they were serving coffee / lap dancing / menial task’ BECAUSE the shared characteristic is sex.

For those offended on behalf of the footballers, why is this not sexist when sex is a shared characteristic?

It is sexist. That's the whole point. It is sexist in the same way as Sugar's tweet is racist.

BlondeSea · 20/06/2018 17:48

I'm disappointed that the BBC have said they won't take any action against him, especially since it's clear as day he doesn't actually think he's done anything wrong. I lose more and more faith in the BBC all the time.

It is disgusting blatant racism and whilst you can't police people's thoughts and attitudes, someone as high profile as he is who is in the House of Lords and receives money from a state funded broadcaster needs to be held accountable for tweeting idiotic hateful crap like that.

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kalapattar · 20/06/2018 17:49

it's clear as day he doesn't actually think he's done anything wrong

Are you suggesting that his apology was not genuine Grin

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