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To think 9-5 attendance at work is becoming a bit unnecessary?

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user1485342611 · 20/06/2018 11:12

With modern technology an awful lot of jobs could now be done remotely cutting out long commutes etc and also giving people a bit of flexibility around the hours they work.

Yet the default position in general seems to be that everyone should be in the office, between x hour and y hour, 5 days a week.

AIBU to think that this is becoming less necessary and far more workers could work from home at least part of the time, using remote access and being contactable by phone when needed?

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user1485342611 · 20/06/2018 16:46

I have worked in several offices where I had my work done in about 3-4 hours. Appeals for more work with met with promises but no work materialising because there was none.

Yet I had to sit there killing hours every day doing nothing, and then sitting in rush hour traffic and trying to rush around in the evening putting on a wash, cooking dinner, getting clothes ready for the next day etc. It was totally ridiculous and really opened my eyes to how wasteful 9-5 hours can be. Just tell me what you want me to do, when you want it and let me do it and then get on with other things.

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megletthesecond · 20/06/2018 16:51

Yanbu. Some common sense from employers would mimnise rush hour too. Our business park doesn't need everyone cramming onto the roads at 8:45am and 5pm. Even 30 mins flexibility would help the traffic.

LighthouseSouth · 20/06/2018 17:06

"Ok, so here's a question. If keystroke mapping/open diaries was the price of being able to WFH, would you agree to it?"

Yes of course. But this has been a condition in some of my jobs anyway - before home working tech had even taken off. Don't lots of places implement this? I realise keystroke mapping isn't necessarily constant, but loads of contracts warn you they might do it.

The poster talking about billable hours - I've never worked in billable hoyrs or a high paid job so I don't know how that would work.

But let's face it, by default most of us aren't in that situation, the average salary is £25k I think? And for many office workers, it's a matter of needing to be available- sometines can be online or phone - and get certain things done. I type 80 wpm and a colleague on the same job is a two finger typist so of course it takes him longer to do stuff, hence my boss accepts that I will have more free time to faff than he does.
These posts are about job where it can be done but is prevented for non work reasons.

PrincessCuntsuelaVaginaHammock · 20/06/2018 17:23

You can be in a billable hours job and be on well under 25k! I was, back when I was a trainee and newly qualified legal aid lawyer. Actually quite a few lawyers earn less than this, especially paralegals, but there's often scope to wfh in the role anyway.

PrincessCuntsuelaVaginaHammock · 20/06/2018 17:25

Also I've never worked anywhere that didn't have open access diaries. Even the place that did it all on paper, it was still a big communal one in reception that anyone could see. I hadn't realised that was something that might not happen?

EBearhug · 20/06/2018 19:28

Our diaries and emails aren't open-access, unless you make it so, though HR could get access if required for some investigation.

I work for a big multinational. My department is spread across 6 countries. Apart from when we have to do physical datacentre work, location isn't that important, because have the team aren't even in the same country. It makes no odds to me whether they're in their local office or home, as long as we're all accessible by instant messenger, phone and email most of the day. We also use video-conferencing, so we know what each other looks like, and on the rare occasions people visit other offices, local people do tend to make an effort to physically be there, because meeting people face-to-face once in a while does make a difference.

I do go into the office most days, because I live alone - some years back, I wrote my car off, and ended up having to WFH for 3 weeks, and I felt very isolated, despite the fact that I can be in the office and not actually talk to the people sitting next to me if I'm really involved in certain types of work. Somehow, though, there is a difference. However, it's good to have the flexibility, so if the car's in for its MOT, I can work from home, things like that. I worked from home for about a month after my mother dies - actually I was working from my parents' house while we cleared it. It meant I could do things there in the evenings, and not have a 2hr journey there.

We have people on home working contracts, and flexible contracts so they can always be home for the afternoon school run or whatever. Most of us are pretty flexible - we have some people who come in early (works well with AsiaPac), others who come in late (works well with the Americas.) For me, if I have to be in for a 9am meeting, I need to leave home about an hour before; if I can wait to be in by 10am, the journey's about 25 minutes - HR have previously sent out notices encouraging staggered work times, as it is easier for traffic. Also, we have to cover 24/7 on-call with a rota, and sometimes out of hours work, and flexibility needs to go both ways.

A lot depends on the department. Some have to be physically on site (reception, security.) Some have issues around data security which means they are in a restricted office space. But a lot of us can work anywhere there is a decent internet connection, and some home workers are based a few hours from the nearest office. Some managers aren't as flexible as others, and some people do take the piss. I know my manager is more likely to let me WFH than some of my colleagues (or at least past colleagues - I suspect their productivity may have had a part to play in them not being current colleagues.)

Most of our trainees are currently in a different country. Screen sharing tends to get round most issues there, they can show what they're looking at, I can demonstrate what they should be doing. This might not work for all types of work, though. (I'm in IT.)

I believe those on a homeworking contract are meant to have a workplace assessment to make sure you're not going to sustain long term physical problems by unergonomic desks and so on, so working on the sofa wouldn't be accepted. I have worked from the sofa and bed when on-call... (I have also learned how to stop the camera on my laptop from automatically starting, to save any colleagues from me being bleary-eyed and not fully dressed on a 3am call...)

Flexibility can work really well, but it does need a shift in mindset - and technology can really help these days. I still like to meet colleagues face-to-face once in a while if possible - but that's once a year or less for most of my European colleagues, not every day. I haven't met most of my US or Australian or Indian colleagues at all, but if any are going to be visiting, I would make a real effort to meet up.

PrincessCuntsuelaVaginaHammock · 20/06/2018 19:36

I used to be on a homeworking contract and never had anything like that. It was fixed term and a couple of years ago though.

M3xicanc3l3bration · 20/06/2018 20:57

I've worked on site, in contrast some other people have worked from home. Sometimes it breeds discontent, when I have been contacted to do their work that can only be done in the office. Secondly, people who work from home have less commuting costs. Some people have worked from home due to illness, some due to laziness. Sometimes the balance has gone too far one way

lljkk · 20/06/2018 21:04

"If keystroke mapping/open diaries was the price of being able to WFH, would you agree to it?"
I think that might be super cool, it would definitely stop me from doing other crap that isn't helpful. If I need a few doss minutes I should wander outside for fresh air (not check MN or FBk).

zwellers · 20/06/2018 21:08

Personally I hate agile home woring. I don't want to sit at home on my own with only a laptop for company I would much rather go to work and interact with people. How long before schoosing get abolished and all the kids do Skype calls with the teacher

LadyRussell · 20/06/2018 21:15

We can work from home but the rules aren’t clear so we have some who are never there and some who always are.

It’s all a bit unfair really. We hotdesk and there aren’t enough desks for us all and will soon be moved to yet another office with even less desks. It’s shit.

LadyRussell · 20/06/2018 21:15

zwellers

I feel the same.

LighthouseSouth · 20/06/2018 21:19

Schools waste loads of time that DC could use for fun
But lack of commuting means more time to play with your friends. Interaction with colleagues isn't the same

Also at home you can text your mates etc as well as put laundry on in time that would have been wasted listening to what some random colleague did at the weekend or last night

I have friends who were formerly colleagues but I like a good divide between work life and real life.

Chattymummyhere · 20/06/2018 22:10

In my role I can do both and to suit me. Dh however must be on site, despite the fact he still manages to work every holiday/weekend and once home from work he couldn’t possible work from home Hmm

Findingdotty · 20/06/2018 22:20

Completely agree. I could do at least 20% of my work at home and far quicker and more efficiently. And I’m in a customer facing role but the prep work is much easier to do outside of the workplace due to constant yet unnecessary distractions from staff and customers.

disahsterdahling · 21/06/2018 09:33

Just spotted this article, not sure if the author is a MNer or not, but very topical: www.linkedin.com/pulse/weve-got-stop-calling-working-from-home-katie-langdon/

ElMarineroBaila · 21/06/2018 09:49

My husband has to work from 8-5:30 every day except Friday and he often tells me they've run out of work, or they didn't have anything to do to begin with, and I get really annoyed wondering why they have to sit there twiddling their thumbs with no work to do. It's not their fault their boss didn't make sure they had enough to do to fill the hours up, so they sit there watching the clock. Due to the nature of the industry he can't really "find" productive things to do instead. If I was their boss I'd let them go home!

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