School and 'rules' re shorts under dress

[oblada]

Before I take this further quick 'poll'; does your school insist that girls wear shorts under their dress if they want to mess about at break time in a way that could involve someone seeing their knickers? Would you expect a rule like this? My daughter is saying that her school and her after school club have told her off for doing gymnastic 'moves' during break time whilst wearing a dress with no shorts or tights underneath. She says she's been told it's 'rude' because people can see her knickers. She is 6yrs old btw. I think this is completely bonkers and she should be allowed to do as she wish as long as she is not actually showing her 'privates' to people on purpose. Underpants are underpants and are not offensive (to me). Of course I don't know yet how much she has actually been told off, or whether it's peer pressure rather than school so I'll go and ask later. But thought I'd gather some views!

Sometimes I think we are taking massive steps back when it comes to people's perceptions of a females place in the world

And telling other females how wrong they are combats that does it?

Some people see danger everywhere

And some don’t. I do, because I know there are paedophiles in our local area, and I’m not giving them an inch to look at my DD. It’s my job to keep her safe.

I think it’s bonkers and inappropriate to have a ‘rule’. I think girls and their parents can make those sorts of decisions for themselves based on what they’re comfortable with. My 5 year old wears PE shorts under hers because she wants to.

But doinghandstands is not a school activity is it? So no doings hand stands in a dress is not appropriate.... also think if this .... schools in my area have houses surrounding them, one school here has over 60 houses overlooking the grounds, who lives in those houses? Yes i may sound ott but peados live everywhere and yes they are re housed near schools etc... whats to stop them spying out of their window and children who spend their days upside down with their knickers out? My girls wear a pair of cycling type shorts over their knickers £3 for 2 pairs in asda/ tesco i would rather spend that than run the risk of some wierdo having a good gander. Each to their own
And yes in the 90 people had their thongs hanging out.... i remember them being labled as ,"easy" amongst other things.....

There is no danger attached to showing pants, provided those pants provide proper coverage of her genitals. This is no longer guaranteed by many modern pants, which are too small for purpose.

I would take serious issue with a rule like that!
Tbf though a lot of young girls underwear is ridiculous quality and completely see thru which is a bit rank as girls do do gymnastics moves and messing about which might show their knickers.
Id always buy sturdy good quality school knickers in a slightly darker colour or pattern so that my daughter is actually covered properly.
No need for shorts if your knickers are good quality.
I mean whats so rude about the tops of your legs? Surely the underwear is enough to 'cover up'? you dont need extra shorts!!
and yeah I think that rule is very sexist and strange as it sexualises an item of clothing for no reason... theres actually very little difference between a pair of good quality knickers and a pair of modesty shorts... like a cm or two of thigh... you dont need both on at once its ridiculous and no young girls knickers are designed to be provocative and if anyone finds them so its them with the problem!!

My DD has always worn Petit Bateau pants (classic cut) and we have never had any worries.

Those saying that they have to wear shorts over pants at school, do they also have to wear shorts over swimming costumes? Or is a costume gusset somehow seen as different to knickers?

If your children's underwear doesn't cover what it should, then buy something that does. Extra layers simply aren't necessary.

Our school does tell girls to wear shorts under their dresses or skirts. No communication to parents, but children were told, and mine do it as a result. I'm not sure how I feel about it.

I'm bowing out of this thread because the hysterical people seem to have taken over.

@thorsitontheside depends where u wear you bikini? Do you wear it to the office or to do the shopping? Not really the same as under wear is it in that context but each to their own.

Is it a state primary, hibble? If so, feel free to ignore it if you wish. They can't enforce any uniform policy.

I have just bought a long sleeved swimsuit. A revelation!!!!

@Thorsbitontheside spouting feminist ideology and then using a misogynistic word like hysterical is a contradiction in terms no?

For someone keen on the rights of females you are very determined to put other women down.

Maybe have a wee word with yourself eh? and stop using misogynistic words

I'm struggling with this as my DD wears shorts every day under her dress as when she sits crossed legged her knickers fully shoe and quite often more shows. I don't understand why it's wrong or body shaming to not want her private parts to be on display? I'm all for standing up for girls rights to dress as they please etc but I really can't get my head around the angle that it's wrong to want people not to be able to see her private parts almost as taking a stand? Also she quite often doesn't wipe very well and I'd worry that Children may see a wet patch and she would get teased. Why is not wrong to want to prevent that?

the saddest thing is that girls are actually being told to cover up themselves... its not even being sent in a letter to parents or anything in a lot of cases... I think thats awful as they wont have thought twice about it but now some random adult has come along and essentially told them that their knickers are 'rude'... I really wouldnt take kindly to someone telling my daughter that tbh

Tbh it's bloody awkward when girls don't wear shorts and do cartwheels etc. They may be wearing knickers but knickers move...

And what’s the danger in someone catching a brief sight of a 6 year olds genitalia through less sturdy pants?

hobbitbobbit its a different issue if a child wants to wear shorts than it is for a child who hadnt thought of it to be told by a random teacher that her knickers are rude or provocative and that she NEEDS to wear shorts

Of course if your child feels more comfortable wearing shorts then thats up to them what they do... its the fact that some girls who were comfortable just wearing knickers are being shamed into wearing shorts by teachers that is the issue

And what’s the danger in someone catching a brief sight of a 6 year olds genitalia through less sturdy pants?

What’s the danger of them wearing shorts so their genitalia are covered?

www.petit-bateau.co.uk/e-shop/product/43022/Z00/little-girl-s-boxer-duo.html

Do you as an adult flash your knickers? Do you walk round with your bra or knickers showing?

Go on any beach in summer. How is an adult in a bikini showing any less than someone in their bra and pants?

"Tbh it's bloody awkward when girls don't wear shorts and do cartwheels etc. They may be wearing knickers but knickers move..."

I don't find it awkward, but then I don't make a point of gawping particularly. Anyway, as pp have said, properly fitting full pants would prevent that.

soddingunicrons the danger is its on the same spectrum as that lawyer who said that women need to take responsibility for their attire during that upskirting debate on twitter...

@letsallhaveanap I think that’s a stretch tbh, if they’re wearing them out of choice.

Being forced to is a different matter.

Nick Freeman is a creep, even his own DD called him out on his misogyny.

But I think that telling women whose DDs do wear shorts that they’re wrong or hysterical is as bad.

when you shame girls into wearing any type of clothing you are making them take responsibility for the way their bodies may be sexualised.
One thing if a girl wants to wear shorts of her own volition... qquite another if she is being 'told' to... why is it a 6 year olds concern that other people may sexualise her body or an item of her clothing? why should that be her responsibility? I just think thats pretty creepy. A 6 yo should not be worrying about her knickers.