School and 'rules' re shorts under dress

[oblada]

Before I take this further quick 'poll'; does your school insist that girls wear shorts under their dress if they want to mess about at break time in a way that could involve someone seeing their knickers? Would you expect a rule like this? My daughter is saying that her school and her after school club have told her off for doing gymnastic 'moves' during break time whilst wearing a dress with no shorts or tights underneath. She says she's been told it's 'rude' because people can see her knickers. She is 6yrs old btw. I think this is completely bonkers and she should be allowed to do as she wish as long as she is not actually showing her 'privates' to people on purpose. Underpants are underpants and are not offensive (to me). Of course I don't know yet how much she has actually been told off, or whether it's peer pressure rather than school so I'll go and ask later. But thought I'd gather some views!

Serena Williams tapes her knickers on so they don’t move. Is that better or worse than shorts?

I don't see the problem with it being explained as covering knickers.

Noone walks around in their underwear. If we're wearing a dress as adults we don't lift it up when we're in public, so if they're doing an activity that involves the dress lifting up then shorts make sense.

Its not a rule in my DDs school as far as I'm aware but she chooses to wear them most days.

See my posts about my sons. And boys (other than kilts) rarely have clothes that expose their genitals

Pants don’t expose genitals though? If they do yoi might have bought them from Ann Summers by mistake?

Kilts, on the other hand... it seems perfectly reasonable for most scots men to go out and about with nothing underneath their skirts.

On a hot day she might want to wear a summer dress, I don’t want her play restricted because of that.

Surely wearing a summer dress with shorts is not cooling in the same way as wearing a dress without shorts, or a t-shirt and shorts, are?

I have worn shorts under a dress for cycling but that's for comfort. Other than that, shorts under a dress would just make you hotter if it's warm enough that a summer dress is the best option.

Pants don’t expose genitals though? If they do yoi might have bought them from Ann Summers by mistake?

Aye I regularly shop for my 5 yo in Ann Summers don’t be so ridiculous.

And it’s a kilt, no need for your ignorant comment. Adult males yes, children no. I’ve never heard or seen a young boy go without anything under his kilt.

My DDs wear light shorts under dresses because they didn't like the boys lifting their skirts at primary. DSD never did. She does now but there's more to do with thigh rub.

SoddingUnicorns

Yes it seems you have to follow a certain set of rules yo be a feminist on MN, or for that matter a woman. If you don't agree with a woman/girls flashing any part of her underwear/body whenever she fancies, you are "body shaming" or whatever other buzz word they through around.

Yes it seems you have to follow a certain set of rules yo be a feminist on MN, or for that matter a woman. If you don't agree with a woman/girls flashing any part of her underwear/body whenever she fancies, you are "body shaming" or whatever other buzz word they through around.

Ain’t that the truth! Now I apparently shop in sex shops for my 5 yo and put my boys in “skirts” but I’m the unreasonable one

My dd has always worn cycling shorts under skirts and dresses. Saves all sorts of embarrassment

Bibesia
If my child's school insisted they wear a very and pant to do P.E I would be bloody livid and would remove my child from the school. No child should be doing anything outside of their home in just their pants. I highly doubt this is true.

Whilst I completely agree with you that it is ridiculous, and your child should be able to wear whatever she is comfortable in, what I will say is that you don't know any of the other children at the school. A vulnerable child who may come from a different family background to yours (may have been abused or seen abuse) could potentially see that as an invitation for further action. It might prompt comments from older children that could make your child feel uncomfortable, or alert her to things that aren't age appropriate. So yes, I agree with you, however, the school are ultimately trying to protect your daughter.

Unfortunately, times have changed, and lots of parents don't "parent" in the way that others could expect. You have no idea how many students in KS2 I hear talking about Love Island. I also had a few year 3 students who went through a phase of telling each other to "suck d*ck".

Tbh I'd imagine it would be a safeguarding issue as the school can't guarantee 100% if the people on school grounds have been policed checked and referenced ect

reallyanotherone
Most men wearing kilts aren't running around doing bloody cartwheels or hand stands now are they? And if they were they would be done for indecent exposure.

I really don't understand what this has to do with feminism  @Battleax you say you object to their uniform policy and want sensible uniform for children so they don't have to wear shorts underneath
What is so awful about them wearing shorts underneath? - cotton cycling shorts are breathable, the nude ones or white ones are discreet and they are not noticeable normally under a summer dress
Why is wearing cycling shorts under a summer dress even remotely a feminist issue? Nobody is forcing these children? They could wear leggings or shorts or trousers or whatever else but lots of children like to wear dresses and there isn't anything wrong with hanging upside down or doing cartwheels wearing shorts and a dress, they are like Spanx.
How can it be compared to adults. I can't imagine myself running jumping and cartwheeling in a dress but I don't think even if all of my friends were doing it I would want my underwear on display joining in and it would be breezy af!
Feminism is about letting women have choice and making decisions about themselves and respecting their bodies not about getting militant that girls should wear shorts/pants or dresses and knickers and saying anything else is ridiculous.

On a hot day she might want to wear a summer dress, I don’t want her play restricted because of that.

Why would it restrict any child's play to wear something like Petit Bateau pants?

tigerround, why is it a good idea for girls to have to wear two layers under a summer dress when one is perfectly adequate? No matter how breathable the shorts are, it's still unnecessarily heating and therefore provides a splendid breeding ground for infections.

@Timeisslippingaway Wed 20-Jun-18 16:14:14

"Children aren’t daft. They know that you don’t always/usually wear shorts under dresses. They know that adults don’t."

I have literally never witnessed an adult do cartwheels or hand stands in any environment, wearing a dress flashing their knickers.

Whereas I have.
Regularly.
At my Rock 'n' Roll club.
Which is why when we do displays anyone wearing a skirt wears large knickers like we used to have as part of our school uniforms back in the dark ages (1970s). We coordinate them with our pretty dresses.
It's just common sense as we are performing an activity which risks us showing our underwear...... children doing handstands and cartwheels in dresses are well advised to do the same.

@Bibesia I'm not for one minute saying they should. I just disagree with the comments saying they shouldn't because it's against feminism. Children can do what they want. Years ago girls wore bloomers under their dresses. I'm not going to feel bad for sending my daughter in in shorts

Why would it restrict any child's play to wear something like Petit Bateau pants?

Do you work for them or something??? Stop telling me what knickers my DD should be wearing, it’s fucking weird.

Most men wearing kilts aren't running around doing bloody cartwheels or hand stands now are they?

Never been to a game at Murrayfield or Hampden then

There was a convicted paedophile run off my old estate weeks ago, within 50 yards of a school and 75 yards of a nursery. So you’re wrong.

That's unusual. Convicted child sex offenders usually have prohibitions on how close to schools they're allowed to live. I sometimes have to support them in finding housing and it's a factor that I have to take into account.

My Head Teacher insisted when I was at junior school, in the 1970s.

😂 unfortunately not, maybe I should go 😉

@LakieLady he was moved on to another estate with a school. This all happened in North Lanarkshire about 6 weeks ago.

@Timeisslippingaway it’s a sight to see if nothing else! I’m not really a fan of the formal kilt outfit, but a man in a rugby shirt and kilt does funny things to me