AIBU to ask if you sometimes wonder if God thinks humans are a bunch of fools

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Because of the idiotic things we do. Do you know they hymn Dear Lord and father of of mankind?
AIBU to think about those things?

I think the atheist are just telling their opinion @junedaze. I did not want to cause conflict. Actually this thread is about too much conflict in the world.

Let’s all enjoy a fictional book designed to keep us in our place.

Lots more evidence from none than one. And the least Christian people I know tend to all sit near the front of the church.

And most of the Conflict in the world caued by one religion or another trying to destroy each other.

Somewhere: No, the conflict isn’t caused by religion but by people abusing thereligion. It is a difference.

like they know for certain.

It’s pretty certain though. Until there’s firm evidence that a deity exists, then you cannot claim one does exist. It would be like me trying to say Hogwarts is a real school, as are wizards and witches, just because I read it in a book. I mean you can’t prove I’m wrong, not 100%, so therefore I might be right.

However, if there was a deity who created us, then we are only behaving as programmed to. According to all religious lore I have come across, deities are all powerful and incapable of making ‘mistakes’. The idea that a god of our making is malevolent certain would be the more realistic view. I’ve always seen the Christian god to be especially abusive in their ‘love’ - ‘I only let bad things happen because you made me do it, if you loved me these things wouldn’t happen, you’ll only know true happiness through me’ and all that nonsense. So no, I highly doubt any ‘god’ is disheartened at our behaviour, or they would have long intervened.

I have no answer OP. What an interesting question.

No, the conflict isn’t caused by religion but by people abusing thereligion.

People invented religion to keep others under control. It’s the boogeyman for adults. It was inevitably going to start getting out of control when others started doing their ‘own interpretations’. So yes, it is people abusing the religion but it was already invented for abusing people on a mass level.

Listen to Bo Burnham's song "From the Perspective of God"

Some interesting lines:
"You argue and you bicker and you fight.
Atheists and Catholics, Jews and Hindus argue day and night.
Over what they think is true.
But no one entertains the thought that maybe God does not believe in you."

And my all time favourite:

"The books you think I wrote are way too thick.
Who needs a thousand metaphors to figure out you shouldn't be a dick?"

How can the non existing think?

And yes, of course the whole idea of God is a fiction. Why would he despair about us being this way when he made us like this?

I'm not completely opposed to the idea of a deity/supernatural force, but there's clearly no way it's an all-loving, all-powerful, all-knowing God. That's just a logica fallacy given the state of the world.

Destroying the only planet we live on is pretty stupid

If God exists he's fucking evil. He doesn't of course.

Of course humans can be foolish. The arrogant tend to forget we're simply animals we have no higher purpose. We're worm food waiting to happen.

EdmundCleverClogs
People invented religion to keep others under control. It’s the boogeyman for adults. It was inevitably going to start getting out of control when others started doing their ‘own interpretations’. So yes, it is people abusing the religion but it was already invented for abusing people on a mass level

Exactly.

So true.

junedaze, so true how exactly? Whoever said that quote obviously isn’t an actual scientist.

Edmund just as atheists say quite confidently that there "is no God", then i'm surely allowed to say "there is a God" , and the quote i posted is just one way which, to me confirms it. As regards whoever said that isn't an actual scientist, on the contrary, quite a few renowned astro physicists have said exactly that, in fact it is facts like that that have led many to question their atheist views and actually become believers.

To me it takes a far bigger leap of faith to believe in a random universe rather than one that was designed.

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Ultimately none of us can say if there is or isn't a God. I personally don't believe, I used to but not now. But I also don't think anyone can use science to "prove" God doesn't exist, when traditionally so many scientific "discoveries" over the years have turned out to be wrong. I always think that if believing helps someone then good for them. It never really helped me but each to their own. Religious wars are all about power, nothing really to do with religion, the religion is used to gain power.

But, if there is a God or any kind of higher power then yes they are looking at us saying we're a bunch of fools! Because we are. We destroy the planet and each other for what?

People invented religion to keep others under control.

I don't think that's true at all. Most of the oldest traceable religious beliefs are essentially linked to gratitude for things that keep us alive, so for example deities linked to springs and deities who control the forces of nature, such as the sea and favourable conditions for crops. Religious practices usually grew up around these ideas and communities developed their own rituals and festivals for thanking, appealing to and appeasing these gods. Yes, 'control' tends to come into religions through each community, but the oft-trotted out idea that that was the original sinister purpose of religion doesn't really hold up to scrutiny.

I believe in God and that he is a father figure. Therefore I think, like any parent, he is happy with us when we are good and kind and do nice things and and sad and frustrated with us when are cruel and unkind and do stupid things.

I'd say that this supposed God has only himself/herself/itself to blame for not thinking his or her or its creation through properly. He/she/it should not be shaking his/her/its head but hanging it in shame. Yeah, that whole freedom of choice thing coupled with a survival of the fittest instinct this supposedly perfect being supposedly gifted to a race of very imperfect beings - what could possibly go wrong with that?

If humans are a bunch off fools, then why would God be shaking his head as if its not his responsibility?
If my children where behaving stupidly I wouldn't be shaking my head, I would be blaming myself for bad parenting, setting clear rules and enforcing them until their behaviour improves.

Why is 'God' abdicating his responsibilities?

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That quote you've posted is a load of crap scientifically. Has that "astronomer" never heard of gravity?

No atheist says "there's no god". We say instead that there's precisely no evidence for such a thing so belief in it would be irrational.

Like believing that someone is "holding" the earth in place. No one sensible should believe that as there is zero evidence for it.

@junedaze

But the earth IS moving closer to the sun. Little by little, every year - and in a few billion years the sun will die and we will be drawn into a fiery inferno and wiped out.

So clearly that wasn't a real astronomer.