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Psycho MIL - take 2

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LolaL · 11/06/2018 18:04

Hi everyone, I posted this --

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3249894-MIL-from-hell-bring-popcorn-wtf-do-I-do-with-her?pg=14

-- a few weeks ago. Since then, things have been quite good. We've had a few issues (her slagging me off to my mum, she's super super manipulative and it sparked a massive argument between my mum and I). I had a text from her re the hairdresser for the wedding and I text her on the morning of a hospital scan to wish her good luck - but otherwise had absolutely no contact at all.

DP has been the happiest he's been. He has had an occasional phone call with her and popped into the house to ask his dad for some help with the car, but aside from that, that's it.

Weekend just gone was his stag. A really lovely weekend was organised for him (just what he needed!) and he came home yesterday pm bouncing, despite his hangover lol. Showing me photos/videos, telling me what they got up to etc. Really happy.

I met up with SIL over the weekend and she told me that she too has had no contact, bar one phonecall to discuss seeing grandkids (initiated by SIL). Throughout the whole phonecall, MIL repeatedly slagged off the whole family, mainly me. SIL sounded like she did a great job in trying to keep on topic and discuss the kids however it eventually ended with SIL saying that she would not tolerate listening to this and put the phone down. SIL told me about this conversation and I decided not to share with DP, not to upset him.

This morning, DP called MIL on his way into work, just to check in. I think the child in him wanted to share what a lovely weekend he'd had. She told him that she was so glad that he'd had a lovely weekend because she was now on anti-d's and wanted to kill herself all weekend, how lonely she was.... (FIL didn't go on stag so she wasn't alone...) and how upset she was that I didn't reach out to her over the weekend and plan something with her.

Aside from seeing SIL, I had a lovely, very busy weekend spent with my friends and hobby.

DP then called me, really upset, saying how he felt so sorry for her and that he was sad that I'd not reached out to her this weekend. I pointed out that I didn't understand why this weekend was an exception, how was I to know she was feeling lonely, she had FIL, absolutely no difference to any other weekend and even if I wanted to, I had hobby commitments so would have struggled for time.

He ended up getting angry saying how he can't cope that I hate his mum, I started crying, completely out of the blue, I was sat on the sofa catching up with work emails. Ended the call. 10 mins later he text saying he loved me and was sorry, I didn't reply, was upset.

I replied half an hour later saying I loved him but this is really getting me down, our wedding is 4 weeks away and he cannot let his mum manipulate him, or interfere in our relationship. He said she isn't and loves me like a daughter?? I said very hard to believe when she's said some v nasty stuff about me to SIL and told him what was said. Maybe I'm expecting too much, but if I had heard someone talk about DP like that, I would be straight on the phone, asking why they'd said this. Anyway, his response was "take it with a pinch of salt."

I then got v v angry that he couldn't back me and was again letting her control and interfere. I completely saw red and did call her a "psycho controlling bitch" which was probably the most PG thing I had in my head!!!

Anyway, this has continued back and forth all day, him saying he feels unsupportive me hating his mum, me thinking wtf he is letting her control and ruin our relationship. BIL has had a chat with him and agreed that he thinks she's trying to ruin the wedding.

Absolute mess. I don't know what to do. My head is saying run, my heart is staying stick with him.

This sounds pathetic and that I'm overreacting but I really do feel like this is the final nail in the coffin.

OP posts:
DartmoorDoughnut · 12/06/2018 22:12

Hope everything goes smoothly at your wedding!

Belleende · 12/06/2018 23:12

I am all for the power of positive thinking, and I do think it sounds like you and your DP have a decent base to build a healthy long term relationship from. But maybe just stop for a moment. Imagine you are not engaged. What do you think would be the things you should do in the next 3, 6, 12 months to cement the foundation of your relationship, given DPs struggles with anxiety, the hideous relationship with your MIL and the dawning realisation that DPs upbringing is likely to have been less than ideal. This is all relatively new stuff that has surfacd andd the full impact of it on your DP and your relationship may not yet be apparent.

Getting married may be a huge help, but it will also bring pressure into an already volatile situation, and could perhaps take attention away from other things that should be dealt with sooner than later. It may be healthy to at least ask the question if now is the right time to get married. Weddings are fecking stressful at the best of times!

Motoko · 13/06/2018 08:58

I'm not surprised that she had a hand in ending his previous relationships. As I said upthread, she wants him all to herself, she can't bare the thought of him giving his love to another woman. In her mind, SHE must be the only woman he loves. It's quite incestuous.

Like a pp noticed, I've also noticed that he has these arguments with you, spends time being nasty to you, then makes all the right noises to apologise afterwards, and you let it go.
How long are you going to allow this cycle to carry on for? I think you need to choose a deadline, say 2 years, and if after that it's still happening, you walk.

He needs to go NC with her, otherwise it's not going to work, because he's not strong enough to stand up to her if she's still in the picture.

You should read Toxic Parents together, then you can discuss the issues it highlights as it pertains to your relationship and what he does.

Remember, she might not do anything too bad during the wedding, but she might very well pull a massive health stunt just before, or after when you're about to go on honeymoon. Prepare him for this.

Do come back to this thread after, to let us know how it all went.

Good luck, I really hope he proves your faith in him is justified.

CaledonianQueen · 13/06/2018 18:26

This isn’t about your DF and your ex is it OP?

community.babycenter.com/post/a62791180/mil-ruining-vacay-278-he-called-mommy-for-help.-ugh.-all-updates-in-original-post

CaledonianQueen · 13/06/2018 18:27

Df and his ex

wictional · 13/06/2018 21:57

Caledonian I just spent so long catching up on that story like Shock

That poor woman! I hope she isn’t your MIL, OP!

CaledonianQueen · 13/06/2018 22:32

I hope so too wictional! The story even has a supportive bil and sil!

Goldmonday · 13/06/2018 22:48

I know the wedding is so close now and this might not be what you want to hear but I would want absolute assurance from him that she has no part in your lives following the wedding. If he doesn't promise this then I would walk away. I don't think he is ready to make this step the way that he so quickly jumped to her defence and got angry with YOU after a simple phone call with her. This isn't what you want to hear but it demonstrates that he is still under her spell.

It's tough, but it will be easier than spending the rest of your life with this insane woman interfering

marymoosmum · 14/06/2018 01:23

Caledonian I have just sat for 2 hours catching up on that story. Confused

CaledonianQueen · 14/06/2018 04:57

Sorry Marymoosmum and wictional, I should have added a warning with the link! Warning you will lose several hours of your life reading this link but it will be totally worth it!

CAAKE · 14/06/2018 07:40

Ha. Yes, this MIL thread makes me think of that BC thread too Caledonian. I hope the OP reads it! The DIL in that story is pure hero 👏

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 14/06/2018 08:13

I spent hours reading that last night.
If nothing else I hope the OP knows at least she's not alone!

LolaL · 14/06/2018 11:06

Thanks so much for all your support, I have been listening but still don't know what to say or do. I love him, I love us when we're in the company of anyone but her.
I've decided to go home to spend some time with my family this weekend... my grandfather sadly passed away a few months ago and I lost my dad a few years ago too so this father's day isn't going to be nice. DP did want to come with me for support as he knows I'll be feeling down but I encouraged him to take his dad fishing for fathers day... I also didn't want the backlash from MIL if he didn't spend fathers day with his dad.
DP has been so lovely and supportive all week, I've been so upset thinking how she's likely told aunts/uncles I've met a few times what a bitch I am. If she's said all these nasty things to SIL who she knows I'm very close to and she isn't close to, god knows what she's said to others. DP has reassured me that no one else matters on the wedding day apart from us, know it's true but I don't want people thinking badly of me, when I do try to be a good person!
LOL - that's not my MIL but 100% sounds like it. Exactly the sort of things she'd do, bat shit psycho.

OP posts:
LolaL · 14/06/2018 11:08

To pp's advising speaker phone, we've done this a few times, if she's called DP whilst in the car etc he has taken the call and made her aware that I'm listening. When I've said "no that's not true" or "don't talk about xyz like that" she'll just cry. Cries fucking constantly, like a banshee.

OP posts:
Oliversmumsarmy · 14/06/2018 11:35

I think you are on a loop.

Mil kicks off. He kicks off at you. He then realises he has gone too far and thinks he might lose you so apologises. Then MIL kicks off etc

It just depends how many times you want to go through this

LolaL · 14/06/2018 11:43

@Oliversmumsarmy yes you are completely right, it's a cycle that needs to break and I'm not sure how :(

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aaaaargghhhhelpme · 14/06/2018 11:51

Op I’m sorry to say the only way to break the loop is for your dp to do it. Do you think that’s likely?

Oliversmumsarmy · 14/06/2018 12:02

I think NC and moving away ultimately

Although it would take me a long time to trust that dp was actually NC.

To start I think a long talk about the loop your dp is in with Mil. Hopefully getting him to recognise both his and her responses to each other and why you are being dragged in as the scapegoat

QuiteChic · 14/06/2018 12:10

I was where you are now 28 years ago. We did get married. No supportive SIL - mine wore white at the wedding, guess who manipulated that ? We went NC about 6 months after we married. He has, in the main, been a great husband and good father, but I've become aware (thanks to MN) over the last few years that he is also a manipulator (mainly unconsciously) and when he's stressed can be quite nasty. Again thanks to MN I never let him get away with the manipulation or the nastiness and he does acknowledge it. But he's also suffered a few serious bouts of depression and I'm only just managing to get him to realise that this is an underlying result of the childhood trauma he suffered at his mother's hand. (We found out just recently that there was a lot of threatened suicide - none of which ever materialised). As far as we know she is still alive.

ThreeIsACharm · 14/06/2018 12:22

My Mil to be was like this for the past 4 years until she pushed too far. Dp realised he would lose me. We took the tough love approach.
She was met with constant no's or ignored until she behaved.
If she phoned crying we would tell her we would call her back when she was calm and hang up. And Switch off the phones so no one could contact on her behalf.
We are now a year and a half layer and we bearly see her. She sees the dc 6 times a year supervised by dp.
She probably tells everyone how I turned her son against but dp and I ( and people close to us) know the truth.
You and dp need to be firm with her and always have the same replys to her tantrums. Treat her like a naughty child and give her a time out.
Good luckFlowers

ThreeIsACharm · 14/06/2018 12:28

QuiteChic mil used to threaten suicide in dps childhood. Or she would remind them of how 'sick' she was and could die any second. (She has nothing wrong with her)
Don't understand how people can be so cruel.

Goldmonday · 14/06/2018 13:09

NC is the only way.

This weekend will be a good time to tell if he can maintain boundaries with her (without you around) or whether he lets her put more stupid ideas in his head

Sadly if it's the latter I think you need to give this some REAL thought

Motoko · 14/06/2018 13:24

I agree with Goldmonday that this weekend will be a good time to tell if he really means what he says when he agrees with you. It's only been a short time since the last episode, so he can't have "forgotten" what you've spoken about and agreed on.

If he starts being nasty to you, then I don't think he'll ever change, and the only options will be to end it, or he MUST go NC with her.

FizzyGreenWater · 14/06/2018 13:28

it's a cycle that needs to break and I'm not sure how

her behaviour, time and time again, has shown you that the only way will be for you to go NC. She won't change.

And I don't mean 'you go NC' - both of you. It's the only way.

And I don't think he will be able to do that.

And he has shown that he is very different to BIL, who can set boundaries.

You can't run the vehicle on your energy while he's busy punching holes in the fuel tank.

SIL and BIL are managing, even with a child, because he's on her side.

I can see you ending up very, very differently, and after one too many times where you discover he took your baby to MIL's behind your back, you'll split.

StormyLovesOdd · 14/06/2018 13:44

You are me 20 years ago!! just read some of my old threads about my manipulative narc MIL, they sound very similar. Be warned is she's anything like my MIL she will be 10 x worse when you have children.

All I can say to you is that right now If I could have my time again I would run for the hills, my crazy MIL has blighted my life and my relationship.