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To think there might be a time limit to pop the question

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Idontknowwhoisright · 10/06/2018 00:06

I've been with my boyfriend for 3 1/2 yrs. I'm in my mid 20s he is early 30s.
All of his friends are married, been to at least 5-6 weddings with him which is fine although I m not the biggest fan of weddings.
I love the idea of the commitment but I don't get the fuss about the dress and the cake etc. I also don't have many friends at all and currently I'm not speaking to my sister or my parents (their choice )and I don't think I could have a wedding like this.

Anyhow it's not an issue as my boyfriend hasn't proposed. Don't know if he ever will and that's fine I think but I read this article that to have a successful the engagement should happen 2 -21/2 years after first going out.

I sound so stupid don't I

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FissionChips · 10/06/2018 01:27

Because you’ve had so many lows as to have almost broken up in such a short space of time, plus you can’t even broach the subject with him.
Don’t think it’s foolish to assume it does not bode well, do you, really?

ScreamingValenta · 10/06/2018 01:28

I'm just feeling the pressure, everyone is getting married

You need to focus on your own relationship and what is right for you. Getting married because everyone else in your social circle is, is a bad idea.

FissionChips · 10/06/2018 01:29

Try to look at it without the “omg how dare you judge me” blah blah Jeremy Kyle type crap. Seriously.

Casmama · 10/06/2018 01:50

Ok this is a bit of a leap but your family members have all decided to go non-contact with you and you’ve had such lows that you’ve nearly broken up? I think maybe you have some work to do on yourself before committing to be with someone else for the rest of your life.

Idontknowwhoisright · 10/06/2018 07:35

@Casmama my family going non contact with me is not my fault . I moved away from home which is something my controlling mum couldn't cope with. I had a fairly rough childhood and I have been trying to work out with my parents but they were no partners in it. My sister has cut contact with them too and me as well for similar reasons. I'd love to work out my problems with my family but it's a 2 way street . And yup I agree there is work to do in myself and my relationships that's why I said this in a previous comment

'I don't actually want to get married right now, maybe in a year/2 years time... I want to focus on work right now and perhaps try to work on my friendships/ family issues.'

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Clionba · 10/06/2018 08:06

I very much agree with AnneLovesGilbert. It sounds like you need to have a very open and honest discussion about what you want in your relationship. It's no longer the Edwardian era, you have agency over your future, marriage is not the gift of the man, but a mutual decision.

Lustrum · 10/06/2018 08:12

OP, you’re very young, you have a volatile relationship with someone with whom you can’t broach important things, you yourself don’t in fact want to get married now — but you’re still hankering after a proposal because a magazine told you you should be engaged by now???

Bigfathairyones · 10/06/2018 08:18

I think that you need to consider whether he’s the man you’re planning to share your life with, have children with and be your closest confidante, friend, lover if you can’t even talk to him about it? Are you sure he’s that person?
Alternatively, if you’re happy that you’re not thinking marriage yet, fine but don’t stop considering that question I asked over the next 2 1/2 years.

FWIW my DH proposed after 7 months....23 yrs later he’s still my best friend.

theycallmebabydriver · 10/06/2018 08:31

There's quite often threads on here about 'How we're you proposed to' and the majority always seem to be, we had a discussion about how we saw our lives together and whether marriage was right for us, often then followed by a romantic gesture with the whole down on one knee thing at a later date but not always. I was quite pleased as this is how DH and I got engaged (a few initial discussions to float the idea then one evening with the wine out and a very in depth discussion that covered as many aspects of how we saw our future as we could think off, then a few weeks later he did a picnic and down on one knee for sentimental reasons). If you haven't discussed your future then how do you know you stand a chance of making a future together, you need to make sure that you both stand a chance of making each other happy in the long term otherwise you're setting yourself up to fail. You don't need to go in depth at the start, wait for something wedding related to crop up then just throw in 'do you think we'll get married some day. Gets the ball rolling.

3dogsandcounting · 10/06/2018 08:35

ScreamingVelenta - you are lovely 😊

thecatsthecats · 10/06/2018 09:17

My fiance and I got engaged on our 10th anniversary.

Honestly, we've both changed so much in the past ten years, it's lovely to know that we've changed together. For example, we both went through a phase of not wanting kids, now both agreed that we do want them. A phase where he wanted to go out more and I had become more of a home body (Friday night he had a single beer and read a book, cuddling his cat).

Lulls in the passion, sure. Supporting each other through hard times, yes. Some proper rows - yeah! But since we childishly got "engaged" in the first 3 months of our relationship, we haven't gone off each other. I am so glad that we we're right at 3 months, but the ten years since is where our commitment has really happened.

Longislandicetee · 10/06/2018 09:19

The average age for people to get married for the first time is 32, though the most common age group is 25-29. If you look at the average age, 32, for them to be getting married within 3 years of meeting, it meant they started dating at 29. By then they have had over 10 years of adult relationships, including the person that at 25 they were totally convinced they were going to be with forever. And in fact if you assume that a healthy gap between serious relationships is a year, it means that the average person comes out of a serious relationship at 27/28 meets their future spouse at 29 and gets married at 32.

I give you all these stats because the pressure that you’re seeing is all around you but I just wanted to give you the bigger picture.

Why do I think the stats are as they are? I think we learn from our relationships in our 20s and enter into our 30s with a much clearer idea of what good looks like and what we want.

Given your boyfriend is in his early 30s, he is probably not clear that he wants to marry you. Have a clear conversation about this and if that’s the case, leave. Volatile relationships are very exciting in their 20s and it may seem normal to you, but honestly is not usually the basis for a successful relationship. As I said, on average the relationship your describing is the one that most people have in our 20s, learn from it and have a much better relationship at the end of their 20s with someone who is worth the life time commitment.

StealthPolarBear · 10/06/2018 09:25

" Are you guys saying that your relationships have never had downs?!"
Not in the first three years, not really.
We were together seven years before we married but we got together in our teens.

Bridechilla · 10/06/2018 09:47

Errr, 13 years here and yes there were many ups and downs. In fact we've broken up twice.

I'm not sure what your OP is asking? You're worried that you're relationship doesn't fit the timeline of some inane magazine article, and yet you don't actually want to get married right now?

Do you feel insecure in your relationship? Are you bored of

I borrowed my MN name from a great podcast: Bridechilla it basically sticks two fingers up at the idea of marriage traditions. Give it a listen and maybe it'll make you feel a bit better for not "fitting the mound"

Bridechilla · 10/06/2018 09:48

*mould Hmm

PrincessCuntsuelaVaginaHammock · 10/06/2018 09:57

This reminds me of a recent thread about how many women will happily have long relationships unmarried, have sex and often cohabit, but then all of a sudden become firm traditionalists when it comes to seeing whether their partner wants to get married. It's illogical.

Just have an actual adult discussion about future plans. If you don't feel able to do that or it goes wrong when you do, it's evidently not a long term goer. Happens sometimes.

FASH84 · 10/06/2018 11:34

OP there's no time limit, especially as marriage isn't on your radar right now. DH and I were friends from age 11, there was almost something when we were about 17, but it didn't quite happen. We were best friends by that point. We went off to different uni's etc but stayed in touch especially in the holidays. In 2009 (both 24/25) we both ended serious relationships and were spending a lot of time together to the extent a lot of people thought we were a couple before we'd crossed that line. We crossed that line autumn 2009, and were official about a year or so later (neither of us dated anyone else in that time). We lived together from January 2011, and he proposed in February 2016, although we'd spoken a good year or so before that about where we were heading. We bought our house together 2016 (the flat we lived in was mine) and got married January this year. If you're happy with the time frame, and this is the relationship for you, ignore people who say things like 'if he was going to marry you he would've by now' etc. One of the strongest couples I know were together 5 years before he proposed and got married on the ten year anniversary of their engagement! (First dance was Etta James, at last). Time lines are arbitrary.

TacoLover · 10/06/2018 11:40

Enjoy doing all the housework and childcare in a few years when he's out 'being the man'Grin

XiCi · 10/06/2018 12:40

From experience I think you know very very quickly whether you want to marry someone or whether it's a 'do for now' relationship. Similar to a pp DH proposed after about 6mths, just celebrated a happy 26 yrs together. I don't think that the incredible highs and awful lows to the point of break up sound healthy, just sounds emotionally draining and I would have expected after 3 and a half years that you would have discussed where the relationship was heading. However you don't seem to know what you want yourself so it's all a moot point really.

UrgentScurryfunge · 10/06/2018 13:06

It's vital to know that you're both going in the same direction in the relationship, and you both have to talk about it.

I'd known DH about a year before we became a couple and another year again before I moved in. It was somewhere towards a year after that, that we were chatting in the car and ended up talking about what we wanted for the future. The outcome of that conversation was that long term, we wanted to marry (probably eachother Wink) but as I was in my early 20s, not yet professionally qualified and younger than him, I wanted time to feel established in the adult world first. I wouldn't say we were engaged then as it was too open, but were were clear that we were happily going in the same direction.

The actual engagement was a few years later. I'd been working for a couple of years and was feeling down about being looked over for an opportunity at work, and felt that we were sufficiently stable as a couple to seriously look at engagement/ marriage, and that there was no benefit to delay it because of work. So we browsed at rings, and a surprise bended knee moment followed within a couple of months and for various reasons a date set for two years later soon afterwards.

None of the conversations were premeditated or big things, they were a normal part of us communicating as a couple.

I have to admit that I fail to understand where couples live together, often for years without talking about what they want. It's so important to know where they agree, or have differences and need to review. And for reasons of biology and the impact that starting families tends to have on female career progression, it tends to be the woman that suffers by clinging on to false optomism that he may marry/ want children while her ability to have children wastes away with time. I'm not saying to rush, just that if you want to wait until 30+, 35+ be aware that you'll be doing it with the right person when the time is right, not then having to rush and waste another couple of years finding a suitable relationship against the biological clock because you were strung along for a wasted decade by an indifferent commitmentphobe.

Most of the weddings of dramatic relationships that I went to were followed by divorce a few years later. Sometimes with children involved (no clean break) sometimes before children happened. All relationships change, there's easy phases, flat phases, tension, but staying in because you've put in a lot of effort is a bad reason. The effort on both sides needs mutual reward and compromise. It's like the difference between maintaining a classic car and a clapped out runabout. One will give rewards for the investment of money, effort and experience, the other is a drain and best sent to the scrapyard.

ScreamingValenta · 10/06/2018 13:06

Thank you @3dogsandcounting! Blush I try my best!

Idontknowwhoisright · 10/06/2018 15:00

Thanks for everyone who posted their opinion. I'm not sure what to think about what some of you suggested here. I love him, he's the best person who has ever entered my life and I can share anything with him. Yes I know we haven't talked about marriage and we probably should have but as someone said it here it doesn't really look like I know what I want. And it's true, I don't know what I want or really think about marriage. The reason I posted this thread is because I read that article and I feel pressure because that what people seem to do in his age. And yes it's probably stupid but it made me think and most probably overthink wherever we should have had some plans by now. In the very bottom of my heart I do feel like we're a great couple and without a doubt I know I can count on him no matter what and vice versa. The ups and downs yeah well I'm glad if all of you have managed to find someone who is so perfect for you you never had any problems. We have had problems and we worked on it and I do believe that relationship take some work.

For what's matter regarding this thread I think I'll talk to him. I'd like to know what he thinks of the subject and we'll go from there.

Oh yeah and about the I want him to be a man in the relationship- yup I stand by that. And know I don't think that means I'll have to do the house work and raise the kids while he's at the pub in a few years time. Whoever posted that - regardless this thread- you should really have a think about how your relationship is, if you are even in a relationship because that's not what being a man means.

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Lustrum · 10/06/2018 15:25

Oh yeah and about the I want him to be a man in the relationship- yup I stand by that. And know I don't think that means I'll have to do the house work and raise the kids while he's at the pub in a few years time. Whoever posted that - regardless this thread- you should really have a think about how your relationship is, if you are even in a relationship because that's not what being a man means.

OP, seriously, you sound younger and younger the more you post. And whoever suggested you might want to think more carefully about your stereotyped attitude to gender was quite right. Good luck with your conversation, and for God's sake, don't begin by telling him you think he should want to marry you by now because you read it in a magazine article called 'Is he Ever Going to Pop the Question?'

TacoLover · 10/06/2018 15:34

Well you can't pick and choose with gender stereotypes. You can't choose the gender stereotypes of men paying on all the dates and asking you out first, giving you his jacket when it's cold, spending thousands on a ring but reject the gender stereotypes of women doing all the housework. If you do that you're just showing how you're happy to honour the stereotypes that benefit you and not your boyfriend but are hypocritical when it comes to stereotypes that benefit him and not you.

FissionChips · 10/06/2018 15:35

What does “being a man” mean then?