To think a lot of left wing people are actually close minded?

[DeepFatFriar]

Close minded as in not receptive to other peoples views.

Disclaimer: i consider myself left wing.

But at the same time, I'm quite happy to have a talk with someone down the pub who might be anti immigration or anti abortion. As long as they've thought their point out properly, im open to debate and i dont feell offended by their views.
But it feels like a lot of the left wing people i come across just go into "racist twat! Fucking tory!" mode- like theyre incapable of seeing that situations are often a bit more complex than just this is right/thats wrong.

For example with Brexit, i voted remain and was gutted by the result - at the same time, i felt a bit irritated by fellow remainers "theyre all little englander tory twats" attitude to brexiters. Yeah, some of them are. Others just have a different POV, you know?

I was discussing this with my mum and she said back in her day (im assuming this means the 70s!) "conversation felt more nuanced".

It sometimes feels like a lot of left wing people just want to live in an echo chamber. I think you need to try and keep an open mind to different points of view. You clearly dont have to agree. But you can at least accept that people have different mindsets because they've had different experiences - it doesnt make them a worse person though.

Also the fact you can end up loosing your job let’s be fair the extrem left love a Twitter storm let’s not forget what the trasmovemnt tried to do with mumsnet

The left have aligned themselves with crackpots and loons and racists (anti Semitic crew) hijacking labour for their own ends

I think it’s dawned on most Mrs May is shit but Jc would be a nightmare as he is a puppet to his ring masters

And that would would of thought we would be wishing for moderate Dave back

My husband's friend is like that. He ended up unfriending me and blocking me on FB when I took him to task on it after the last-but-one election, when I suggested that such an approach was akin to a dictatorship, while I thought the UK was a democracy. And I'm a leftwinger as well, but more open to debate/discussion.

Sorry but the pp saying you can lose your job in the NHS, fire service etc if you're not left-wing is just spouting ignorant bullshit. At this stage I wouldn't engage further with someone as I'd think I'd be wasting my time. Not being close minded but bored to death of "debating" at this level.

Are you mixing up left wing with Corby supporters?
I think this is it. Your old school Labour voters are perfectly (generally-speaking) able to have rational conversations and exchange views in a civilised manner. They're not the ones on here that start threads proclaiming how Tories are scum or personally insulting Theresa May even though they've never met her. Corbyn supporters come across as needing to shout down the opposition and be generally unpleasant (remarkably like Corbyn). And that's why there's no chance of me voting Labour again (I used to) in the foreseeable future.

Sorry but the pp saying you can lose your job in the NHS, fire service etc if you're not left-wing is just spouting ignorant bullshit.

Sorry, but it’s laughable you would disbelieve this. Of course the official reason for leaving wouldn’t say that, but if all you colleagues stopped talking to you and cooperating with you and all you supervisors started picking over looking for mistakes in your work and assigning you menial work and you were excluded from meetings and had spurious allegations made against you and were held back from promotion what do you think would happen? I’ve seen that happen and of course their union weren’t interested in helping either.

Plus I have worked for a large UK public sector organisation where the top boss sent out emails to all staff with very thinly disguised instructions to vote Labour & remain.

@Nikephorus
Same. I cant vote Labour anymore because of JC.

I cant vote Lib Dems because I did that once and then they hiked up uni fees.

That means I have to vote for the fucking green party as a last resort. Its just ridiculous, the left in this country is becoming a joke.

'There tends to be a rather sheep like quality on the left where there is an almost complete uniformness of opinion across a range of subjects

This is a ridiculous generalisation that reveals how close-minded you are. If I say that right-wing voters tend to think that people that don’t believe what they do are “sheep” and not “awake”, along with a host of conspiracy theories - would you call that close-minded?

I don't think it's a left wing thing. I think it's a post truth/ anti intellectual/ anti expert thing. The right are just as guilty as the left on this one.

ConfessionsOfTeenageDramaQueen
No, you can say it as many times as you like but the Nazis although they had the word socialist in the party name were not socialists in the sense of left wing Marxists.
They were RIGHT WING FASCISTS AND NATIONALISTS.

The left have aligned themselves with crackpots and loons and racists (anti Semitic crew) hijacking labour for their own ends
I think you mean Momentum when you say "the left"
There is a spectrum of views left of the centre. We aren't all rabid communists. Momentum are very left wing and they certainly don't represent me. Lots of people who previously voted Labour won't do that anymore, me included. I think that there are a lot of generalisations in this thread. I think you should start saying the Labour Party or Momentum rather than the left as that is what it sounds like you are talking about.

claws, if I meet someone left wing I can generally predict almost all their political opinions before they voice them.

They are generally
Anti-Israel (and say they’re just anti-Zionist)
Pro full gay equality
Heavily pro migration
Not patriotic and generally a bit embarrassed by their nationality
Heavily pro benefits and relaxed about abuse of the benefits system or deny it happens
Vocally feminist but if male don’t actually back it up with action
Pro Islam almost to the point of fetishisation
Pro PC enjoys policing speech
Anti-US but might go there on holiday
Pro-nationalisation and Keynseian
economics
In favour of heavy social control and believes that the answer do most problems is for the state to sort it out
Views any discussion of migration systems or control as racist
Heavily pro NHS and anti reform or scrutiny
Pro unions in all circumstances

I could carry on. Only areas I can think of significant differences is:

Brexit, some Bennite Brexiteers but they keep it quiet
Trans debate: some TERFS and sceptical
Some debate on fracking

I think we have an issue where politics have become tribal, like a football team. I think the internet exacerbates this feeling. It’s not healthy both sides should be able to stand back and look critically at issues.

People can predict anything they like-doesn't mean they are right. Look at all the times the end of the world is supposed to have happened......

Totally agree OP!

There is a lot of bullshit on this thread. Of course there are close-minded left-wing people and liberal right-wing people. It has little to do with being left or right but whoever said it was? There is also little correlation between being left or right and voting for Brexit. I know many Tory voters and none of them voted for Brexit. They may not accuse those who voted for Brexit as being racist but they generally think they are a bit thick as anyone with half a brain would be able to see what an economic disaster it will be for the UK.

@Dungeondragon15
So they = you and you're calling Brexiters thick. Thanks for proving the point. Also other people sharing views =/= bullshit.

So they = you and you're calling Brexiters thick. Thanks for proving the point. Also other people sharing views =/= bullshit.

I didn't say there were thick. That is more the view of many Tory voters I know.

But some of the views people have shared on this thread are bullshit........

Presumably you think the view that brexiters are thick is bullshit?

danci And the only reason why the middle class women are questioning the trans thing is because for the first time it will directly effect them
You can pay your way out of the terrible school system you have encouraged
You can go private
And you can move to Home Counties after you have encouraged mass immigration

But they unable to escape the trans because often their white middle class privllaged men they come from their own stock

Presumably you think the view that brexiters are thick is bullshit?

I don't know anyone who voted for Brexit so I couldn't say. I am just repeating the views of many Tory voters that I know.

Sorry, dungeons. My post was directed to the OP. I should have made myself clear.

Danci - I don't believe you. More likely, your friends spouted some racist, homophobic, misogynistic shit at work. They wouldn't see it like that. They'd see it as PC gorn mad and build up some righteous fantasy around it.

There is evidence that you are right OP. There is a very interesting book called the Righteous Mind, on the subject.

link

YADNBU!

Just yesterday in the Morrissey thread, there were lefties complaining about him being racist and then laughing that he had been called "gammon". Hypocrisy alive and well...

danci that’s hilarious. Thanks for the list, but you’ll find you are quite wrong. That is a stereotype of an extreme left-winger drawn by an over-imaginative conservative. Maybe expand your reading sources?