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The slog of this authoritarian shitshow is grinding us all down. My inspiration has gone into hiding with Melania. Knock yourselves out! (Trump cont.)

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boatyardblues · 05/06/2018 21:57

Does what it says on the tin. 🤷‍♂️

Here’s the last thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3258057-I-Spy-with-My-Little-Eye-Something-Beginning-with-T-Traitorous-Treasonweasels-in-Trumptown-Trump-contd

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ohmymimi · 12/06/2018 20:15

'President Trump's Middle East peace team, senior adviser Jared Kushner and special envoy Jason Greenblatt, will travel to Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia next week to discuss the next stages of the peace effort and the crisis in Gaza, a senior U.S. official tells me.'
www.axios.com/kushner-travel-to-israel-egypt-saudi-arabia-for-peace-plan-talks-0c65acf3-aeb3-4aa7-9674-699de36168e5.html
Greenblatt:
972mag.com/debunking-the-myth-white-house-envoy-jason-greenblatt-is-no-moderate/134741/
fortune.com/2018/04/16/who-is-jason-greenblatt-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen/

ohmymimi · 12/06/2018 20:33

'Lawmakers in Both Parties Are Skeptical as They Assess North Korea Meeting'
'WASHINGTON — Lawmakers from both parties, deeply mistrustful of a leader who has brutalized his own country, greeted the joint agreement between the United States and North Korea coolly on Tuesday, with some warning President Trump that any final accord on Kim Jong-un’s nuclear program should be submitted to the Senate for ratification.

Even some Republicans who have largely declined to challenge the president as he has veered outside normal foreign policy lanes said that it was unclear what, if anything, had been gained by the United States in exchange for the benefits accrued to Mr. Kim.'
<a class="break-all" href="https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/us/politics/singapore-summit-congress.html#click=t.co/RjsqTwGJg5" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">www.nytimes.com/2018/06/12/us/politics/singapore-summit-congress.html#click=t.co/RjsqTwGJg5

'Chronology of U.S.-North Korean Nuclear and Missile Diplomacy'
www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/dprkchron

ohmymimi · 12/06/2018 20:41
Hmm

'.@VP was very clear: regular readiness training and training exchanges will continue.'

Burgess Everett
@burgessev
'Pence told Senate GOP that military exercises in Korea will continue, per Sen. Gardner'

mobile.twitter.com/SenCoryGardner/status/1006615397603389440

Yamayo · 12/06/2018 20:47

So basically he directly contradicted one of Trump's 'promises?
What a surprise.

ohmymimi · 12/06/2018 20:48

Clean up:
'NEW: From @kwelkernbc, citing an official in @VP's office: The Vice President made clear the bi-annual military exercises will cease. But Pence was referring to routine training and readiness exercises that would continue. Official notes "huge difference between the two" '

mobile.twitter.com/christinawilkie/status/1006620024092745729

ohmymimi · 12/06/2018 20:52

'The larger point here is there is a LOT of confusion on the Hill about what exactly Trump agreed to as part of NK talks. And Pence did little to clear up the confusion, including over joint military exercises, during lunch today, per multiple GOP senators.'
mobile.twitter.com/mkraju/status/1006618783077818372

ohmymimi · 12/06/2018 20:58
Grin 'sources close to Mike Pence insist the vice president was not aware of the vice president's comments and is angry that the vice president went behind the vice president's back like this' mobile.twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/1006617445396774914
ohmymimi · 12/06/2018 21:25

Pesky details.
'Perhaps also worth noting that a typical tour of duty for U.S. troops in South Korea is one year. Due to this high turnover, the Pentagon believes annual military exercises are crucial for training.'
mobile.twitter.com/MarkDStrauss/status/1006599555176173569

Lweji · 12/06/2018 21:35

The larger point here is there is a LOT of confusion on the Hill about what exactly Trump agreed to as part of NK talks.

I'll be surprised if Trump does.
But it was a beautiful deal. The best ever.

lionheart · 12/06/2018 21:53

Going up against the Russians.

Mueller

Anniegetyourgun · 12/06/2018 23:17

If it were possible to go into a room with the leader of North Korea and thrash out a deal in a mere 5 hours, one of the Presidents over the last 40 years would have done it. There is NO WAY that the best deal-maker in the entire history of the world could just snap his fingers and achieve a worthwhile deal in that time frame, and as most of us know, despite his fond belief, T is not the best deal-maker in the history of etc. They've just swapped photo ops and hair styling tips and both know perfectly well that nothing they said in that oh-so-secret meeting means a thing. And while we're on that subject, there's a reason why magicians hide their paraphernalia in cabinets, hats, floppy sleeves etc. It's because the magic only works when you can't see what's really happening behind the scenes.

ohmymimi · 13/06/2018 00:20

'They're calling them "tent cities" but yes, they are camps. They're going to construct camps for children.'
Wesley
@WesleyLowery
The President of the United States reportedly considering construction of a prison camp to hold up to 5,000 children (link: www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article213026379.html) mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-…

mobile.twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/1006665859492917250

TheClaws · 13/06/2018 02:10

I’m thinking there is a disconnect between what Trump thinks he agreed to and what Kim agreed to. This is an excerpt from an KCNA article today:

‘Noting that the building of lasting and durable peace-keeping mechanism on the Korean Peninsula is of weighty significance in ensuring peace and security in the region and the rest of the world, he said that it is urgent to make bold decision on halting irritating and hostile military actions against each other.

‘Expressing his understanding of it, Trump expressed his intention to halt the U.S.-south Korea joint military exercises, which the DPRK side regards as provocation, over a period of good-will dialogue between the DPRK and the U.S., offer security guarantees to the DPRK and lift sanctions against it along with advance in improving the mutual relationship through dialogue and negotiation.

‘Kim Jong Un clarified the stand that if the U.S. side takes genuine measures for building trust in order to improve the DPRK-U.S. relationship, the DPRK, too, can continue to take additional good-will measures of next stage commensurate with them.’

The extra bolding is mine. It would seem, though, that NK are expecting sanctions to be lifted as they “take their genuine measures for building trust”. This is not what Trump said in his presser; just the opposite.

TheClaws · 13/06/2018 02:25

Kim Jong Un doesn’t want these things. Trump didn’t even understand the purpose of the summit FFS. Commerce and engagement with the rest of the world = absolutely not. Prosperity for his citizens = heck no. It is very obvious here he didn’t do any preparation beforehand and has little knowledge of North Korea in general.

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There is no limit to what NoKo can achieve when it gives up its nuclear weapons and embraces commerce & engagement w/ the world. Chairman Kim has before him the opportunity to be remembered as the leader who ushered in a glorious new era of security & prosperity for his citizens!

Lweji · 13/06/2018 07:38

Fox hypocrisy about meeting dictators

www.facebook.com/ScienceDoesntCare/videos/1299893486822045/

But it's fine when both are dictators, right?Wink

Lweji · 13/06/2018 07:42

Just the idea of housing children in tents in the US is apalling to start with. But then they don't care much for their own citizens anyway.

boatyardblues · 13/06/2018 08:11

I really don’t know where to start with those child detention camps. It’s appalling. The US is rapidly losing any credibility it had as a moral arbiter on the world stage. It’s really distressing to think about the vulnerability of those children.

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PerkingFaintly · 13/06/2018 08:46

“The Trump Doctrine is ‘We’re America, Bitch.’ That’s the Trump Doctrine.”

To be more accurate, Mr Miller, Trump doctrine is 'I'm America, bitch'.

I woke up this morning and realised what these quotes from above remind me of: Incels and "Pick-Up Artists".

Men who embrace rape and violence because they're unable to form relationships with women, and are too dim to understand why they're unable to form relationships.

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