To just think this is shit and unfair

[causeimunderyourspell]

So following on from my previous post where we had a bolt out of the blue from our landlord selling our house, less than 3 months after we moved in. Our contract ends in August and obviously won't be renewed. Anyway apparently they have lots of people who want to view the property and are asking about availability.

Aibu in thinking this just fucking sucks. We'll just have random strangers traipsing in and out of our house, mooching in the cupboards and just generally getting in the way until someone buys it, which is unlikely to be quick as the photos are misleading and it needs a lot of work doing to it.

I have 2 young DC so keeping the place tidy in the week is not always possible. I don't mind so much in the day as we're not there but it's tending to be after work times so what the hell am I supposed to do?! I can't get out as we'll be getting our dc bathed and ready for bed!! Would it be unreasonable to ask that they only do viewings in the day while we're not there or daytime at the weekend?

Some people want all the rights of ownership without paying for it?

😂😂😂 yeah ‘cause renting is free.

Why on earth would you want to be awkward and refuse access for maintenance? Surely it's in the tenant's interest to maintain the property?

You really can't think of reasons tenants won't always allow immediate instant access for repairs?

Because people work and aren't always in the property and don't want random repairmen in and out of their home when they aren't home? Maybe they have the shits and don't want a stranger in the house? Maybe their landlord is a creepy stalker or thinks they can come in whenever they like so the tenant has to set strict clear boundaries? Maybe their landlord puts (fictional) shipping containers and temporary fences in their garden so they don't allow access to the house in case they find something equally fictional random in there too?

they don't have right of access for maintenance

Why on earth would you want to be awkward and refuse access for maintenance?

Who said anyone was being awkward? Landlords dont have an automatic right to enter a tenant’s home. That’s the law. That doesn’t mean all tenants refuse when asked though does it? It just means the LL has to have permission to enter. You get that, don’t you? I mean it isn’t difficult. Even for the thick headed amongst us.

I have experience of this - astonishingly all positive.

First flat post divorce was rented via an agency who were fairly crap, but the landlady was lovely. It had been her own home, and after a year and a half (rolling tenancy) she needed to sell. She spoke to me first to find out what my plans were and as DP (now DH) and I were ready to move in together, I agreed that I’d allow viewings. There was no pressure on me at all, but I liked her and wanted her not to be out of pocket. I moved out before it sold, but it did go a couple of weeks later.

After 8 months in our next house, the letting agency told us that the LL was putting the house on the market ☹️. The letting agent liked us more then the LL (we kept getting threatening debt collection letters asking us to provide information about him and passed them all on to the agent) and they were hugely accommodating in terms of agreeing to refunding the deposit swiftly and actually told us there was no need to agree to viewings at all. We did agree, but only by arrangement, and only because the agent was lovely about it.

And after 6 months in our next house the LL decided to come back from Australia and wanted their house back 😩. The EA were great in negotiating the latest possible end to the tenancy (about 3 weeks after we should have been out) to allow us to complete on our own home, because we were fortunate enough to be able to buy by then.

In all cases the deposits were returned very swiftly and in full. So, I can conclude that at least some landlords and agents are pleasant and reputable. I’m hoping yours reddem themselves OP.

Or even redeem....

Some people want all the rights of ownership without paying for it?

Nope, they want the rights of tenancy while paying for it.

Some people want all the rights of ownership without paying for it?

Oh do cock off, love.

There’s an entire generation that would love to own their own home but they’ve been priced out by slum landlords like you who whack the rent up every year and bleed their tenants a little bit drier, just because they can. Who cares that interest rates have been close to zero for the last decade?

wintry
If half of what you say is true then not only are you are dreadful LL giving all of us a bad name, you are also an awful human. Please go away.

Btw. I’ve had an awful tenant I had to evict on Section 21. He was employed and paid his rent on time for a couple of years. Then his Dad died, he developed drink and drug problems, lost his job. After months of trying to get him on payment plans, helping him fill in forms, taking him to CAB we had to evict. Lost thousands yes but you know what Wintry? I got a cheque from his Mum a few months later. Because if you treat people decently they act with decency back towards you.

Your choice op - as others have said, as tenant you don’t even need to agree access for essential repairs - house viewing for a sale is a luxury for the landlord.
If you want to be accommodating, tell the estate agents when it suits you to do viewings, and do only this (Monday’s 9am till midday - it doesn’t need to be long, or more than once a week). Make sure it’s when you or family are there (I had things go missing when estate agents allowed viewers to go unaccompanied, and I know a few people who’ve had the same issue). Make this to suit your life, and remember this is to benefit your landlord not you - you don’t need to tidy up etc).
If it doesn’t suit you, don’t allow viewings. Your landlord is trying to have his cake and eat it. If he really wants to do viewings he’ll need to give you notice on your tenancy

@nursy1

I don't think I treat my tenants badly- but I do treat them in the same way I do my DC ie a carrot and stick type approach. This means that, yes I will ensure repairs are done quickly(unless they behave like some of the people on this thread by refusing access), in which case they'll be out the door.

But there does also have be a stick that can be used if rent isn't paid, the property is being left in poor condition or the tenants are being generally uncooperative. In these cases, yes, I will use punishments like I do with the DC. That can be closing the garden or it can be blocking cars in- it depends on what they've done.

You treat your clients like children and think you don’t treat them badly!! 😂

@Wintry

With your attitude, it’s really only a matter of time before someone gets sick of the intimidation tactics and whacks you. No more than you’d deserve.

It’s very telling that you have so much trouble with your tenants that you have to resort to all these “punishments”.

I’m actually wondering if wintrys tenants are vulnerable in some way. The only people I know personally who would tolerate even a whiff of the shite wintry is spewing are people who have learning difficulties or are women fleeing an abusive relationship and have been conditioned to accept appalling treatment.

Just what I was going to say Zibbidoo. It’s an adult to adult relationship Wintry
You spoke with some glee earlier about Harrasing and bullying your tenants. As I said, not only a bad landlord but a despicable human being.

I don't think I treat my tenants badly- but I do treat them in the same way I do my DC ie a carrot and stick type approach

Well then you must be as shitty a parent as you are a landlord. Poor kids,

@nursy1

I want to have a good relationship with my tenants and I do with the vast majority. What I will not do, however, is put up with disrespect to my home, people being uncooperative or thinking they own the property.

I will take action in those circumstances, and I do enjoy seeing them punished after they think they've taken the piss and got away with it.

It’s quite sick really.

wintry
It’s not your home, it’s theirs. No wonder they are uncooperative if you are illegally demanding rights of entry. You have no right to “punish” your tenants. It’s a legal transaction here. Punishment is handed out by the courts after all sides have been listened to.
You really do disgust me.

It’s these thick as shit landlords who think they’re above the law that deserve to have their places trashed and rent not paid. You see the likes of wintry on those slum landlord tv shows. In it entirely for the money, neglecting their end of the contract and putting lives at risk with shoddy bodge jobs to save money.

I am a Landlord and I would never do this to a tenant. You would be entirely reasonable to allow one per week on a morning that suits you when you are out. YANBU. The EA can do a group viewing. Also you might ask LL if they are going to sell with sitting tenant as this is possible. I bought a house with a sitting tenant; they pay their rent on time and kept place ok so all good. It saved me having to find a tenant however it is difficult to have some work done on property to bring it up to a good standard with tenants insitu. I want to completely gut bathroom rip off old grimy tiles, re-plaster walls, , damp proof, extractor fan fitted, re-tile and new bathroom suite and flooring but that would be very disruptive for tenant so I will wait until they go on holiday as work will take 3-4 days to complete. Although it is annoying if you have to move so soon after moving in you may find a better LL.

@Zibbidoo

What a horrible thing to say. I don't do botch jobs- all maintenance is done to the highest standard.

As I said, I operate a carrot and stick approach. Unless a tenant does something that requires a stick, people find me a great landlord. On the other hand, if you take the piss, I will have the furniture gutted and the grass covered by planks of wood by lunchtime. It's as simple as that.

Yes. I’m the horrible one

Truth hurts babe.

Bekstar I am LL and hold keys to all of our properties. That said I cannot nor would not enter without written permission of tenant. I would agree a mutually convenient time to gain access to view if I felt that was necessary and I always give a weeks notice as I know some people like to tidy up before I go. I have in the past agreed to meet workmen at property to repair leaking tap but insisted tenant put in writing that I could use my own key to allow tradesman access and would remain whilst he completed repair. This was when tenant was at work but wanted repair done asap. I only use agent to vet and do all viewings, inventory's, meter readings, photographs of rooms and signing contracts myself as I find tenants often don't like EA doing it. I find it you treat tenants with respect, after all they are effectively paying your mortgage off for you, they reciprocate.