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Using NDNs dropped curb

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Cleo2628 · 28/05/2018 22:38

Our NDN have a dropped curb but we do not. We’ve enquire but it will be near £1000 which we can’t afford. We moved here last June, and in some notes about the house the previous owner said that she used to neighbors dropped curb to get onto our drive, so we have done the same. Our neighbour had started doing very passive aggresics things eg. blocking my car in with his wheelie bin, parking very far back so we can barely get onto our drive, standing in his porch and watching us reverse off the drive etc. We don’t go onto his drive at all whilst using the dropped curb. I don’t want to annoy anyone but we just use the dropped curb, over the pavement and straight onto our drive. AIBU?

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JacquesHammer · 29/05/2018 12:02

He can't stop her doing that

He can. When you look at the image in the photo the OP posted, you can clearly see she has to drive over part of his drive to get to her drive.

He is of course at liberty to park right to his boundary or keep his bin right at the end of his drive, preventing her from using the dropped kerb.

StealthNinjaMum · 29/05/2018 12:03

Op if you come back could you stick a photo on from a different angle? So we can see if you are driving over ndn's drive?

Pengggwn · 29/05/2018 12:03

Lacucuracha

That isn't the case. You can only park where there are no access issues or lines preventing you. That doesn't stop you driving or walking on those areas.

Momo27 · 29/05/2018 12:04

Pengggwn

Momo27

He definitely isn't allowed to park sticking out of his drive. That isn't complicated. He shouldn't do that.

Don’t know why you’re telling me that. I never said he is. I’ve simply said OP isn’t allowed to drive on the pavement Smile

Pengggwn · 29/05/2018 12:04

JacquesHammer

I can't clearly see that at all. I agree that he can stop her driving on his drive. I agree that he can park as far down his own drive as he wishes. He can't block the pavement with any part of his car, because it isn't his.

eggcellent · 29/05/2018 12:06

Seems like a weird thing for him to get upset about! Especially as you're not even going over his drive. Also, he doesn't own the pavement - just because he paid for the drop kerb doesn't mean he owns it. YANBU.

JacquesHammer · 29/05/2018 12:08

I agree that he can stop her driving on his drive. I agree that he can park as far down his own drive as he wishes

Exactly.

The OP mentioned she could no longer access her drive because he was putting his bin too far down on his own drive. If she didn't need to cross his drive, then this wouldn't be an issue.

He can't block the pavement with any part of his car, because it isn't his

Indeed. Which is why I didn't suggest he should.

Pengggwn · 29/05/2018 12:10

JacquesHammer

Great, then we agree.

Momo27 · 29/05/2018 12:11

Exactly jacques. Where he puts his bin on his driveway wouldn’t matter a jot to the OP if she genuinely wasn’t crossing his driveway

Hygge · 29/05/2018 12:16

@Pengggwn - Nothing about the sentence you quoted says that.

Either you think that councils put dropped kerbs in so that the whole street can use them as access to drive along the pavement like a second road, or you don't.

I don't, and that's what I said. That's what you quoted me as saying. It seems we're in agreement and I find that as weird as you obviously do but here we are. Lets enjoy the moment.

Pengggwn · 29/05/2018 12:22

Either you think that councils put dropped kerbs in so that the whole street can use them as access to drive along the pavement like a second road, or you don't

It isn't binary. They put them in at the request of the householder. They don't disallow others from driving on them. The issue of driving on the pavement is secondary, as would be clear if you considered whether the OP would be allowed to use the NDN's dropped kerb to access her own drive, if someone had parked over her own dropped kerb. Yes, I believe.

Hygge · 29/05/2018 12:39

None of which has anything to do with what I said.

Would the OP be allowed to use NDN's dropped kerb if her own non-existant dropped kerb was blocked? Who knows. It doesn't exist. It's like saying she could use fairy dust to float her car in.

Is the 'neighbour' fifty houses away allowed to use the OP's NDN's dropped kerb to drive the length of the pavement because his dropped kerb (if he has one) is blocked. I'd say no. I'd bet the council would say no as well.

The council put a dropped kerb in outside the OP's NDN's house, and you're not going to convince me they'd be happy for every car owner on the street to use it if it means them driving along the pavement for any distance.

And that's what I said and what you disagreed with but then did agree with but now don't seem happy about.

Pengggwn · 29/05/2018 12:51

Hygge

I'm not going to sit here debating what an unknown council would or wouldn't be happy about. It isn't his kerb. He can't prevent her driving over it.

StoorieHoose · 29/05/2018 13:07

Well there is one way he can stop her from using it - by parking across his own driveway

Pengggwn · 29/05/2018 13:11

StoorieHoose

I don't know about that myself but I'll take your word that that's the case.

ReanimatedMuse · 29/05/2018 13:46

It's difficult to imagine how much of an arsehole you have to be to be upset, to the extent that you attempt to prohibit it with ridiculous parking and bin placement, that some one is utilising the drop kerb outside your house

Seriously WTF 😂

Tistheseason17 · 29/05/2018 14:11

I'd be pretty pissed at OP if I'd paid for a stopped kerb and then my neighbour used it to cut across pavement and from diagram, likely the edge of my drive.
I am an arse and I'd put a wall up to the edge of my drive. I don't want to have to pay wear and tear caused by someone who did not pay for it.
Say sorry to your neighbour. If you're not driving on pavement, you're def crossing his drive that he paid for.

Momo27 · 29/05/2018 15:32

“He can't prevent her driving over it.”

He isn’t. The OP had not spoken to the NDN. The fact he puts his bin at the end of the drive, which he’d perfectly at liberty to do, is preventing her driving onto her paved front garden. Which kinda suggests that she was driving over his property.

PolkaHots · 29/05/2018 15:36

He doesn’t own the curb, he is being ridiculous!

UrsulaPandress · 29/05/2018 15:40

I don't think he is. The OP can only access her 'drive' by driving over the pavement or over her NDN's drive - both of which she is not entitled to do.

BreakfastAtSquiffanys · 29/05/2018 15:40

I looked at the photo before OP got it deleted, can I can't see how she could use the dropped kerb in front of NDN drive to access hers without cutting across the corner of his drive.

It is entirely possible that previous owner of OP'S house had a "gentleman's agreement" with NDN to cut across his drive - the fact that the dividing wall between the two properties stops short of the front boundary would make this easy.
However if I were NDN, I'd be annoyed if a new owner assumed the same easement without the basic politeness to ask me.

JacquesHammer · 29/05/2018 15:46

He doesn’t own the curb, he is being ridiculous!

It is perfectly possible for him to own the kerb

Banana8080 · 29/05/2018 15:56

You might have been wiser having a conversation with him first, it’s respectful. Might be too late now, but maybe not.

ReanimatedMuse · 29/05/2018 16:11

How is it possible for someone to own the kerb? Does ownership extend to pavement? How does that work with pedestrians/pushchairwheelchair users?

Genuinely curious I've never come across this concept

JacquesHammer · 29/05/2018 16:16

*How is it possible for someone to own the kerb? Does ownership extend to pavement? How does that work with pedestrians/pushchairwheelchair users?

Genuinely curious I've never come across this concept*

There isn’t a pavement as such. (Well there is but only in front of my house, so it’s unused as a pavement)

Basically deeds were lost, when they were reconstituted there was some issue over the edge boundary so we (me and the house next door) got up to the kerb, although there is an easement the council would maintain pot holes