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I Spy with My Little Eye Something Beginning with T. - Traitorous Treasonweasels in Trumptown (Trump cont'd.)

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ohmymimi · 24/05/2018 11:18

All out effort to shore up the 'Spygate' false narrative today. I see the F and F interview is pre-recorded I wonder whyWink
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ohmymimi · 02/06/2018 09:15

Maddow topping yesterday on NoKo, hacking, their super-spy and his impromptu mtg. with the US's Ignoramus in Chief. Now Kim Yong Chol has had the full Trump experience (and maybe even got a few tidbits à la Lavrov/Kislyak yukfest), and also has the measure of Pompeo.

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ohmymimi · 02/06/2018 09:38

Thanks for that piece on Buchanan, lion - gobsmacking he was a Nobel laureate and called himself a classic liberal.
Anyone one interested in exploring more about how we got into this mess? These docs. help:
'The Power of Nightmares'

'Four Horsemen'
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ohmymimi · 02/06/2018 09:46

'North Korea's Darkest Secrets'

'The Happiest People on Earth'
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ohmymimi · 02/06/2018 09:57

Listening to Chris Hayes, just noticed, in an extract from the post NoKo meeting press gaggle, T. could neither remember Kim Yong Chol's name, nor his official position, immediately after meeting with him for two hours.

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lionheart · 02/06/2018 10:03

Thank you ohmy. I'm saving some of these for after wine o' clock. Smile

ohmymimi · 02/06/2018 10:15

You will need WineWineWineWineWine and a lie in tomorrow, lion.

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Roussette · 02/06/2018 10:25

Thanks mini, I've seen the first documentary but will watch the second. I've read a few books about NK, written by defectors and they are chillingly awful

ohmymimi · 02/06/2018 10:27

Hayes, including:
Malcolm Nance on the unaddressed vulnerability of elections.
The Crown Prince of Corruption, Pruitt, and his silver pens.

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ohmymimi · 02/06/2018 15:26

So comforting HmmConfusedShock:

‘He Pretty Much Gave In to Whatever They Asked For’

'Trump says he’s a master negotiator. Those who’ve actually dealt with him beg to differ.'

By MICHAEL KRUSE June 01, 2018
www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/06/01/donald-trump-deals-negotiation-art-of-deal-218584

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lionheart · 02/06/2018 17:48

Interesting on 'strategic silence' as a way of dealing with Neo--Nazis.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/01/extremist-ideas-media-coverage-kkk

boatyardblues · 02/06/2018 18:25

I guess it depends who is defining the extremism. Say a theocracy took hold in the US, would expressing agnostic or atheist beliefs and arguments constitute extremist views? You get my point: censorship cuts both ways.

lionheart · 02/06/2018 18:31

Yep.

cozietoesie · 02/06/2018 18:58

Interesting piece. (If you're already considering the Aftermath.)

Gumpendorf · 02/06/2018 20:04

Trump’s Lawyers, in Confidential Memo, Argue to Head Off a Historic Subpoena nyti.ms/2LQiHTY?smid=nytcore-ios-share

It's long... some cuts follow.

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s lawyers have for months quietly waged a campaign to keep the special counsel from trying to force him to answer questions in the investigation into whether he obstructed justice, asserting that he cannot be compelled to testify and arguing in a confidential letter that he could not possibly have committed obstruction because he has unfettered authority over all federal investigations.

In a brash assertion of presidential power, the 20-page letter — sent to the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, and obtained by The New York Times — contends that the president cannot illegally obstruct any aspect of the investigation into Russia’s election meddling because the Constitution empowers him to, “if he wished, terminate the inquiry, or even exercise his power to pardon.”

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Mr. Trump’s defense is a wide-ranging interpretation of presidential power. In saying he has the authority to end a law enforcement inquiry or pardon people, his lawyers ambiguously left open the possibility that they were referring only to the investigation into his former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, which he is accused of pressuring the F.B.I. to drop — or perhaps the one Mr. Mueller is pursuing into Mr. Trump himself as well.

Mr. Dowd and Mr. Sekulow outlined 16 areas they said the special counsel was scrutinizing as part of the obstruction investigation, including the firings of Mr. Comey and of Mr. Flynn, and the president’s reaction to Attorney General Jeff Sessions’s recusal from the Russia investigation.

Over the past year, the president’s lawyers have mostly cooperated with the inquiry in an effort to end it more quickly. Mr. Trump’s lawyers say he deserves credit for that willingness, citing his waiver of executive privilege to allow some of his advisers to speak with Mr. Mueller.

“We cannot emphasize enough that regardless of the fact that the executive privilege clearly applies to his senior staff, in the interest of complete transparency, the president has allowed — in fact, has directed — the voluntary production of clearly protected documents,” his lawyers wrote.

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The lawyers acknowledged that Mr. Trump dictated a statement to The Times about the 2016 Trump Tower meeting between some of his top advisers and Russians who were said to have damaging information about Hillary Clinton. Though the statement is misleading — in it, the president’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., said he met with Russians “primarily” to discuss adoption issues — the lawyers call it “short but accurate.”

Mr. Mueller is investigating whether Mr. Trump, by dictating the comment, revealed that he was trying to cover up proof of the campaign’s ties to Russia — evidence that could go to whether he had the same intention when he took other actions.

The president’s lawyers argued that the statement is a matter between the president and The Times — and the president’s White House and legal advisers have said for the past year that misleading journalists is not a crime.

Mr. Trump’s lawyers also try to untangle another potential piece of evidence in the obstruction investigation: his assertion, during an interview with Lester Holt of NBC two days after Mr. Comey was fired, that he was thinking while he weighed the dismissal that “this Russia thing” had no validity. Mr. Mueller’s investigators view that statement as damning, according to people familiar with the investigation.

But the lawyers say that news accounts seized on only part of his comments and that his full remarks show that the president was aware that firing Mr. Comey would lengthen the investigation and dismissed him anyway.

The complete interview, the lawyers argued, makes clear “he was willing, even expecting, to let the investigation take more time, though he thinks it is ridiculous, because he believes that the American people deserve to have a competent leader of the F.B.I.”

Gumpendorf · 02/06/2018 20:08

The letter from Trumps former lawyers to Mueller is here:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/06/02/us/politics/trump-legal-documents.html

lionheart · 02/06/2018 20:10

'obtained'? Hmm

lionheart · 02/06/2018 20:12

Here's a response from someone who actually knows a thing or two about those rules.

Neal Katyal

Verified account

@neal_katyal
36m36 minutes ago

'Who wrote this? Nixon? Or Putin? Ridiculous. "the President’s actions, by virtue of his position as the chief law enforcement officer, could neither constitutionally nor legally constitute obstruction because that would amount to him obstructing himself"'

lionheart · 02/06/2018 20:14

And another:

Steve Vladeck

Verified account

@steve_vladeck

'It's not exactly confidence inspiring on the part of @realDonaldTrump's lawyers that their statutory (as opposed to constitutional) analysis is focused on the wrong federal obstruction-of-justice statute—18 U.S.C. § 1505 instead of 18 U.S.C. § 1512:

www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512

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lionheart · 02/06/2018 20:18

As expected.

Donald J. Trump

Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
2h2 hours ago

'There was No Collusion with Russia (except by the Democrats). When will this very expensive Witch Hunt Hoax ever end? So bad for our Country. Is the Special Counsel/Justice Department leaking my lawyers letters to the Fake News Media? Should be looking at Dems corruption instead?'

cozietoesie · 02/06/2018 20:39

Last night's Real Time. Beware - some of the language used is .......indelicate, so maybe best to let the kids out of the room before viewing.

Gumpendorf · 02/06/2018 21:09

In a letter to Mueller, Trump's lawyers said he "dictated a short but accurate response to the New York Times" about the infamous Trump Tower meeting with Russians. But here are FIVE TIMES @JaySekulow and @PressSec previously denied Trump's role in the misleading statement. <a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1003004292192784384/photo/1" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1003004292192784384/photo/1

I Spy with My Little Eye Something Beginning with T. - Traitorous Treasonweasels in Trumptown (Trump cont'd.)
ohmymimi · 02/06/2018 21:21

Thank you for drawing attention to the Dickerson/Atlantic piece, cozie. I've just read it, and there is so much in it I'll need to read it again. Very thought provoking. Saving the interview for later.

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cozietoesie · 02/06/2018 21:25

I've done the opposite. Grin (Watched the interview and not yet read any article.)

cozietoesie · 02/06/2018 21:28

I'm mainly concerned that people aren't thinking about ......... afterwards. (I completely understand why but there's going to be a great deal to do.)

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