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To think that big house price falls finally on the way?

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qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 09:23

After years or price rises, in my area (edge of London), I'm finally seeing price falls of around 15% from peak.

Lots of evidence in recent months of house price falls starting and picking up in London/South East, and usually once they start here, price falls spread elsewhere.

House prices are down on average 17K since July 2017 in London. "The average price of a home for the capital as a whole was £471,986, down from a peak of £488,247 last July."

There is little the government can do to mitigate it this time round, as interest rates are already at record lows. All signs are currently pointing to the top of the market having been reached and prices about to crash.

Such as:

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/london-house-prices-fall-average-uk

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-5733321/Beware-red-danger-signs-house-prices-Young-buyers-borrow-record-sums.html

www.theguardian.com/money/2018/may/12/house-prices-are-on-the-slide-where-will-they-go-now

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/house-prices-fall-housing-market-rics-survey-april-a8343561.html

www.propertyweek.com/finance/house-price-falls-continue-in-london-and-spread-to-south-west/5096455.article

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/10/celebrate-house-prices-falling-britain-property-values

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nursy1 · 17/05/2018 18:07

Personally. I think it’s patchy. The EA who said a while back that prices in N Yorks going up is right but only in some choice towns/ areas where not much on the market. Theres a lot of reduced prices and houses stuck for months where prices are not reduced.
As I said earlier we are looking for my dad and her DH first home. They want something a bit larger than traditional fab home as they are now mid 30s ( moved up from London) but with a bit of modernisation/ improvement to do as we are watching prices fall and feel that may insulate them from further falls.
If something they like comes up will offer at least 10% under asking price and leave it on the table if not accepted.

Sprinklesinmyelbow · 17/05/2018 18:07

If anyone thinks prices will drop enough to come affordable in places they no longer are then they’re deluded

RidingWindhorses · 17/05/2018 18:14

RidingWindhorses - you can see what I'm posting my opinions on, because I helpfully include links

Googling for links is not the same as understanding the London property market.

You said yourself you don't understand flats going for 6 or 700 grand in 'shithole' areas. I don't think it's hard to understand, it's exacty the same in NY or Paris.

The flats going for that in my area are very, very small.

NoMorePills · 17/05/2018 18:17

"This thread has seemingly convinced thread companies that infant a flashy London pad."

now giggling trying to translate this.

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2018 18:18

Nobody saw the 2008 downturn coming either

Err this utter tripe pisses me off. Lots of people DID predict the downturn.

In fact we, personally, bought knowing it was about to happen, but knew we needed to live somewhere and waiting wasn't an option (lots of factors to that). Where we bought and what we bought was hugely influenced with that in mind. We knew it had to be somewhere we wanted to live for a long time. If we had waited until after the crash, we knew the chances of getting a mortgage would be a lot harder and there were properties in the area we wanted to buy which were a one time only bet.

We had friends who were going for effective 110% mortgages in 2006 which we knew were not sustainable even in the short term. We told them they were utterly nuts under the circumstances. Their response? Oh well the banks wouldn't lend us that much if there was a risk. (Face palm). Guess who they had a mortgage with. Yep. Northern Rock.

There were plenty of economists who did see it coming too. Go Google it.

It was a risk assessment. The risk was there if you looked and understood those risks.

It was the politicians that didn't listen to what people were saying and the advice they got. They ignored banks taking far too many high risk mortgages.

When they say 'no one saw it coming', what they mean is politicians stuck their heads in the sand and pretended it wasn't going to happen. And then went 'best get some spin out, in case anyone tried to say we fucked up.

They didn't risk assessment properly.

We simply don't have the economic dynamics for a crash now.

Unless Boris Johnson and Co manage to scupper May and do a cliff edge kamikaze Brexit, where we have a national crisis with food shortages and mass unemployment, which isn't totally out of the question but is looking less likely. And frankly I'm more worried about riots in those circumstances than house prices. Plus since a crash will affect those who have bought since 2008 most and wipe out equity and/or put people in negative equity and will have most impact on job opportunities for younger people thus compounding problem, I'm aware that the Tories more than anyone can't afford a crash even if they'd quite like to own everything..

Instead we have an under supply of houses at the bottom of the market and a lack of people able to move up. We have banks who have been forced to tighten up on who they lend to and the margin of extra income they have in the event of interest rate rises. And lots of people who want to downsize but don't want to do it at bargain basement prices. (Cos they want to cash in on those juicy equity rises). We have people locked into mortgages unable to remortgage as they don't meet the stricter criteria for a new mortgage but have enough to be able
to continue paying their current mortgage. We have the BoE adverse to rising interest rates because of the risk to the market.

We've all the components of the market shrinking as less people move. Because on the whole, it's more risk adverse than it was. Younger people aren't able to take the risks people were 10 years ago, in the same way. (Buy to let landlords on the other hand...). It does not add up to a crash unless there is a huge significant shock to the market (like cliff edge Brexit). It does add up to a long slow grinding halt to the market as it all gradually unravels.

Maybe I'm totally wrong this time round and there will be a shock and subsequent crash but I'm not concerned in the same way I was as in 2007.

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2018 18:20

Besides which, every just takes the attitude that property prices will keep rising if you just sit on property.

There just isn't incentive to sell.

user1495832265 · 17/05/2018 18:20

Did anyone else see a post from MNHQ about 45 minutes ago saying they were taking this thread down? I'm sure I did but it's not there now.
Confused

SimonBridges · 17/05/2018 18:22

Well it had at the top ‘MNHQ have commented on this thread’ but I couldn’t find the comment.

TheFatkinsDiet · 17/05/2018 18:27

Same here @simon Confused

RidingWindhorses · 17/05/2018 18:28

There were plenty of economists who did see it coming too. Go Google it

Agreed. Many people saw a crash coming, some economists saw the particular form it would take. - Roubini, Stiglitz, Ann Pettifor, Steve Keen.

RidingWindhorses · 17/05/2018 18:29

To name a few...

Xenia · 17/05/2018 18:31

I was looking for it. I don't think it needs to be taken down. Some people have quite strong views on it and it may be got slightly personal but mostly it's fine. I would just leave it up.

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2018 18:39

I've seen far worse threads.

Frequently.

user1495832265 · 17/05/2018 18:40

I didn't pass opinion on whether or not it should come down.
I was asking if anyone else had seen a post saying it was coming down because I'm either imagining things, or I'm not.

SimonBridges · 17/05/2018 18:43

Oh, btw. This thread is being watched by the forum I mentioned earlier.

www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum/index.php?/topic/232830-mumsnet-thread-to-think-that-big-house-price-falls-finally-on-the-way/

Sprinklesinmyelbow · 17/05/2018 18:43

Who cares. They sound like a load of dimwits anyway

freezerfoodyum · 17/05/2018 18:59

Omg PMSL at that housepricecrash forum, what a bunch of tinfoil hatters Grin

RedToothBrush · 17/05/2018 19:00

ROFLMAO!

It never ceases to amuse me how MN is thought of as a place of clueless brainless uneducated women with a hive mind and a narrow political outlook.

ILikeMyChickenFried · 17/05/2018 19:49

MNHQ said this was coming down ages ago. What happened?

freezerfoodyum · 17/05/2018 19:50

Their comment saying that seems to have disappeared.

SimonBridges · 17/05/2018 19:52

I love how they think that because they were mentioned on here we are watching them.
No - we just know that those sad sacks are watching here.

Oh, and then someone complained that they saw a picture of someone’s period, or ‘monthly’ as they called it.
Which meant they clicked on a thread asking people to look at a clot they were worried about.

celticprincess · 17/05/2018 20:10

God I hope not. Bought my house 10 years ago on a 100% mortgage and a month later it was in negative equity and still is. It needs a bit of work doing too like a rewire. Live in the north though so house bought for £92k (3 bed terrace decent enough area) but latest ones on my street are still only going for around £80-85k with no work needed. I’ve been paying my mortgage off for 10 years now and still owe around £85k 😬😩😭

Oliversmumsarmy · 17/05/2018 20:15

Omg PMSL at that housepricecrash forum

If you want a bigger laugh look at son of the older posts.

Along the lines of .
Don't buy that 2 bed flat in Chelsea for £150,000. Keep your money in the bank and sit back (in your rented flat) and watch the prices fall to 1984 prices.

I think Sally thinks places are going to return to 2005. That for would mean about a 66% reduction.

Somehow I don't think so.

hausenberger · 17/05/2018 20:20

I'm buying and selling in Bristol at the moment. Bristol up until now has had the fastest-growing house prices in the country outside of London. My experience is the market has very suddenly cooled unless you're after a FTB property or perhaps the next stage up (terraced 3-bed family house) which are still flying off the shelves.

I'm hearing anecdotally that a lot of interest is coming from London as people look to leave the capital.

We have quite an unusual property to sell which is on the pricier end of the market and have not had anywhere near the interest we expected. We also tend to only buy places we really love so general trends aren't always reflected (as we don't go after the terraced Victorian places which there are loads of). Interested to see what will happen - I think a cool down for sure but not too much of a crash.

qwertyflirty · 17/05/2018 20:32

SimonBridges

"This thread is being watched by the forum I mentioned earlier"

Yay! We're famous!

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