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To think that big house price falls finally on the way?

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qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 09:23

After years or price rises, in my area (edge of London), I'm finally seeing price falls of around 15% from peak.

Lots of evidence in recent months of house price falls starting and picking up in London/South East, and usually once they start here, price falls spread elsewhere.

House prices are down on average 17K since July 2017 in London. "The average price of a home for the capital as a whole was £471,986, down from a peak of £488,247 last July."

There is little the government can do to mitigate it this time round, as interest rates are already at record lows. All signs are currently pointing to the top of the market having been reached and prices about to crash.

Such as:

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/london-house-prices-fall-average-uk

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-5733321/Beware-red-danger-signs-house-prices-Young-buyers-borrow-record-sums.html

www.theguardian.com/money/2018/may/12/house-prices-are-on-the-slide-where-will-they-go-now

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/house-prices-fall-housing-market-rics-survey-april-a8343561.html

www.propertyweek.com/finance/house-price-falls-continue-in-london-and-spread-to-south-west/5096455.article

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/10/celebrate-house-prices-falling-britain-property-values

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HateIsNotGood · 16/05/2018 16:07

Maybe edit your thread title to say just London/SE

Xenia · 16/05/2018 16:07

Zoopla thinks my house will have gone done 4% in the last year (outer London) although I am not sure it's easy to guess as all the houses on my road differ from each other quite a bit.

I agree with Red that those properties people can buy lots of people compete for. Eg flats right at the bottom end are almost as much as small terraced places around here which was never previously the case.

£350k 2 bed flat www.foxtons.co.uk/property-for-sale-in-harrow/chpk2110362
£450k 3 bed terraced sold Nov 17 www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=50056251&sale=55540808&country=england

Againfaster · 16/05/2018 16:08

Just a gradual rise in selling price. what has fallen and is now climbing at a much slower pace is people's ASKING prices because they wanted to sell for 15% higher year on year as thats what they had got used to seeing.

qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 16:09

Hate - house price indices report on the whole country.

But to be fair, the SW had some of the UK's biggest rises last year, so that must have been nice for you.

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qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 16:10

Good point, Xenia.

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Againfaster · 16/05/2018 16:11

and yes sorry thats 5% up on what i bought which was at the time an average price the properties were selling for too. theyre all same size and condition pretty much.

GinIsIn · 16/05/2018 16:11

We are in the SE and it’s not the case here at all - we bought 18 months ago and similar properties are already going for 50k more.....

qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 16:11

Hate - "You really need to be more flexible if you want to get on the housing ladder- not blame others who don't feel your same sense of Inflated Ego."

What a twatty comment.

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qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 16:12

Fenella. Which region (roughly) of the SE?

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HateIsNotGood · 16/05/2018 16:13

I bought Aug 2017 so seeing as me and ds need somewhere to live I'm not sure what you mean by "nice for you".

qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 16:14

Againfaster

Interesting. I think it's only really in E London outer suburbs that prices have continued rising. Or maybe you hit lucky in your particular location.

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Mrsmadevans · 16/05/2018 16:15

Zoopla is the site to look for the reductions ....WOW!
Boomboom12 am very glad you are happy where you are my dear Smile. lmho the main thing to think about is how you view your house , is it just a house or is it your home? If it is your home and you want to stay then all this kerfuffle about house prices means zilch.

HateIsNotGood · 16/05/2018 16:15

Just giving you a bit of advice my dear - hardly twatty

Ohmydayslove · 16/05/2018 16:16

Going up here if anything. West mids. Worsc. Selling after a day

Xenia · 16/05/2018 16:17

It depends when you buy but it's always hard to know when is the right time. My daughter bought from someone who had had a the flat in London for 3 or 5 years with only a £5k rise they made - I think over the credit crunch period. If you are going to own for quite a while ups and downs may not matter too much but getting your first place bought is the tricky issue for most people.

I am going through old diaries at the moment. I will soon to be on to the year I first bought (1984) and it will be interesting to see how things were then. I know it was hard and we started off when I was pregnant in a school provided flat (the only way they could recruit teachers as London flat prices were beyond their budget) but even though we would be worse off we wanted to buy and had 2 full time professional salaries so could manage it.

HateIsNotGood · 16/05/2018 16:18

Meant FTB in August 2016

boomboom12 · 16/05/2018 16:18

I think RedToothBrush makes a really good point. So much growth had been driven by equity which is ow hard to acquire.

qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 16:19

Hate - if I want advice from someone who capitalises random words, I'll ask for it, thanks.

As I don't think we've met, there's no need to call me 'my dear'.

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GinIsIn · 16/05/2018 16:20

East Sussex

RedToothBrush · 16/05/2018 16:21

There have been several reports on house buying in the last twelve months. Here's a summary of key points to everyone saying 'just save'.

  1. Most stories you will hear about people who bought in the past. They are not contemporary accounts of how people who have bought for the first time recently.
  2. When you start to talk about contemporary accounts, people will talk about how they saved. Newspaper articles will reflect this. Yet when you scratch the surface, its amazing the sheer number of people who didn't just save. Most will have had help from the Bank of Mum and Dad or an inheritance that they don't openly admit at first, or down play the significance of.
  3. In terms of affordability, people are on higher mortgage multipliers today than they ever have been.
  4. The ratio of earnings to average house prices is increasingly significantly. The average nationally is seven times the average house hold income. In some places its higher than 20 times the national average income. Even at 7 times higher, that's significantly higher than the standard 3.5 income multiplier. If people are not gaining equity from property price rises, this makes it impossible for the majority who do buy to even buy an average house. As the market stagnates, this becomes a growing problem which will start in some areas, but will spread elsewhere.
  5. The whole thing will have the effect of leading to 'gentrification' in more and more areas, and the marginalisation and growing issues for those who do rent. This problem is not going away.
  6. People have to save longer to get on the housing ladder, they have increasing rental costs. This means the age that people buy for the first time is getting later and later. (The current mean age is now 30). This also means they have less years to repay a mortgage. So they can't take as many steps up the ladder either. The problem a rental prices increase, and the demand at the bottom of the market stays high, is that less people can buy in the first place. This is reflected in housing ownership in the under 35 dropping from 67% twenty years ago to less than 40%. The dream of house ownership is increasingly that for the young. They can not aspire to what baby boomers have ultimately taken for granted.

Overall the situation is getting worse. Not of this is 'news'. A lot of people have done a lot of sitting on their hands. Many decision makers have conflicts of interest a landlords or involved in house development. Nimbies don't want large developments of small housing. Socialists don't want to encourage building private housing - their priority is social housing. There is very little political will to do anything about it.

Ironically YouGov had a survey out last week and one of its findings was that young people want to OWN a house. The desire and dream of ownership is just as strong as it ever has been.

Anyway, my point is that unless you personally have bought for the first time in the last ten years, that your experience is irrelevant and just a historical anecdote which can not be compared to the contemporary market conditions. Telling people to 'just save', is a load of debunked bollocks - its still out of reach for even the most frugal in many areas.

The reality is, there is a massive problem that no one really wants to properly acknowledge and admit. Its easier to just say 'Oh well we all found it difficult to buy a house' and be dismissive of it.

It is the consequence of 2008's crash working through the market with wealth being concentrated and locked up in the houses of baby boomers. And that's what makes it different to other dips and peaks in the housing market. It will screw an entire generation, if not longer.

boomboom12 · 16/05/2018 16:21

My last example as getting property fatigue.

Sold for 620k when others were priced at 680k.

www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=70344401&sale=55718612&country=england

Exactly 2 years ago 40k more

www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/detailMatching.html?prop=51825760&sale=78346572&country=england

qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 16:21

Would be interesting to compare 80s earnings/house prices to now, Xenia.

Loving the sound of you going through your old diaries! Wish I'd kept any...

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qwertyflirty · 16/05/2018 16:22

Thanks, Fenella

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Justanotherlurker · 16/05/2018 16:25

Its like a compression of prices to a smaller range which is higher at the bottom end and lower at the top end. It looks like a drop in prices on many of the figures you'll see floating about, but the reality is that the prices at the bottom are not really decreasing.

The data set from this article

www.theguardian.com/business/2018/apr/18/london-house-prices-fall-average-uk

Suggests its the bottom rung that is actually the significant factor in London posting the first YOY drop in prices.

i.imgur.com/3TLYNb4.png

The fact that people at the bottom rung are struggling will have an affect.

boomboom12 · 16/05/2018 16:26

RedToothBrush Excellent post, one way of circumnavigating the difficulty of entry level is moving to other cities which I think more of the young might consider.