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Do you lie about kids ages for free entry?

368 replies

coffeeforone · 15/05/2018 15:18

My DS turned two last weekend. We bought advance tickets for an adventure farm on Saturday. Going along with a friend who has a 4 year old and a DD who is 3 months older than DS.

It's free for under 2's and £11 for everyone else. I paid online and bought us all tickets including my DS and her DD, and let my friend know. She is now furious with me as I have apparently wasted £22 by paying for my DS and her DD. She says its normal not to pay for about a year after the cut off, and was shocked that I paid. TBH it didn't cross my mind when booking, but thinking about it they would never know. WIBU?

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madeyemoodysmum · 15/05/2018 21:17

Yes I have but admit it on here and you are practically drowning kittens.

Snowysky20009 · 15/05/2018 21:29

blackteasplease goes back to my point. If your dd had fallen and injured herself badly- where would you stand legally if you'd signed a declaration saying she was older?

I'm not picking- I'm honestly interested in where parents stand? As i have no idea.....

stopfuckingshoutingatme · 15/05/2018 21:32

I can’t my DS2 is huge for his age Envy
I think I recall whispering ‘you are 7’ once but I don’t go to expensive places anyway

Turnocks34 · 15/05/2018 21:34

I have pushed my luck when my son was up to 14 months and said that he was one.

Wouldn't with my eldest as he’s for sure speak up with his real age.

Pebblespony · 15/05/2018 21:35

I'm still a 'student'. No date on my student card and the photo is a bit blurry.

selly24 · 15/05/2018 21:39

If it was free for under 2s doesn't that mean anyone aged 2 or more must pay. If it was worded free for 2year olds or younger then anyone aged up to 2yrs 11 months would be free. So level of CFery uf not paying for a just turned 3 yr old varies according to venues wording.
I am not a lawyer I promise!

QuinnElle · 15/05/2018 21:43

No of course not, I'm not a thief/fraud. Its shitty behaviour. If you don't like the price, go somewhere else. It's crazy how people do this but get all worked up about other forms of fraud/theft. People are ridiculous.

LemonysSnicket · 15/05/2018 21:45

I used to get U16 bus fares when I was at uni. £5 vs £1 to get to work?

QueenOfCatan · 15/05/2018 21:47

We have a farm park near us where under 2's get in for free and an adult gets in for free with one paying child or they are £2 more expensive than the child ticket (£6 per child and £8 per adult). We tell them that our tall and very chatty 18mo DD is 2 to get a cheaper ticket Wink

ShatnersBassoon · 15/05/2018 21:52

It's a pity they've tightened up the older person's bus pass application process, everyone could get to work for free.

Hopeful88 · 15/05/2018 22:07

I do it.

fedupski · 15/05/2018 23:09

Snowsky, if someone is doing a dangerous activity and has lied about their age, then it’s likely that the venues insurance will not cover them. I know Discovery Cove in Florida requests passports for Dolphin swim as they are only covered for 6 and over should anyone get hurt.

It’s also likely that travel insurance wouldn’t cover if the parents were found to have lied.

So, not a big deal in the UK, but anywhere where you have to rely on travel insurance for medical costs in case of any issues, lying about your kid’s age could bankrupt you.

On the other hand bus drivers were still automatically giving me half fares way into my 30’s and sometimes I was too busy being flattered to correct them .

BaldricksTrousers · 15/05/2018 23:16

There's a difference between a little white lie (for example, one that spares someone's feelings) vs this, which is a deliberate lie to gain something.

DSHathawayGivesMeFannyGallops · 16/05/2018 00:01

@bumpitybumper I actually find that extremely offensive. Personally I'd use the word "reprehensible" to describe murder, child abuse and animal torture. I'd use sanctimonious and naive to describe you though.

I can see your point actually, but if you asked the world outside mumsnet, I wager the majority of people would chance their arm in some situations, some more than others. If I could get entry to somewhere by saying "two adults, one child" and being taken at face value, I would. I wouldn't declare my 5yo as a toddler if a) the onus was on me to prove it via document, b) the deceit is obvious. If a policy is vague, I would be stupid not to take advantage of a loophole. If a policy isn't enforced then it's a self created loss control issue and no one will point that out if it stops them being out of pocket. Me included. Doesn't mean I am automatically going to graduate to murder.

If you have never, ever done anything self-serving in your life, THEN you can be so highhanded in your judgement. I somehow highly doubt that you've never done something that hasn't screwed someone else over as a result, it simply may not be financial. I give to food banks, make regular charitable donations and try to be good. But I'm not perfect and I admit that.

Any way, must dash as I have old ladies to mug and candy to steal from babies. Hmm

Seeingadistance · 16/05/2018 00:19

I remember my DM getting me a child's ticket. I was 27!

gluteustothemaximus · 16/05/2018 00:29

I haven’t lied, as such. Just bought the tickets, and never been questioned on the smallest ones age. If they are free under 2, and just turned 2, and we’re really there for older sibling anyway as the toddler won’t be able to do anything and will sleep in the afternoon anyway...I don’t feel guilty. They charge a fortune everywhere. We can’t afford it.

Now off to drown kittens.

LegallyBrunet · 16/05/2018 01:10

I’ve never done it for entry into anywhere but I have a very young face and so can sometimes pass for a child ticket on the bus despite the fact I’m 23 and the cut off here is 16. I don’t ask for it, I just automatically get charged it.

KC225 · 16/05/2018 02:26

I used to do it all the time, early born twins have always look younger than their age. They are now 11 so haven't done it for years.

Dixiestampsagain · 16/05/2018 03:47

Some places are really good- we went to an animal park in France and I asked for 2A2C. They asked how old dd was and I replied 6. They asked me again and winked, so I said 5! Fair play to them, they could have (should have!) charged me for her.

Dixiestampsagain · 16/05/2018 03:49

My best ever was as a student of 20/21 I used to get in for half price to watch Premiership matches at Wimbledon FC (showing my age)- I never got challenged on it and you had to be 14 or under to go in for half!!

ChocolateWombat · 16/05/2018 07:24

Coming back to this issue of being willing to acknowledge to yourself when you are doing something wrong, or what the wrong thing is, yes it is a reality that everyone does wrong things. Yes,nit is a reality that at some point everyone lies about something.

For some people, knowing that seems to open the door to doing whatever you like and somehow justifies it - so as long as you can say, 'many people do it' or 'this isn't as bad as murder' it somehow feels okay, and people can still think of themselves as good people.

I think we should be more honest with ourselves about what isn't just lying, but lying which results in stealing. It's up to the business to set the price for the service or product they sell - it's not up to customers to decide it's too expensive and so they will only pay a lower price,nor their choosing and that the business should be glad to be getting any of their money, especially if they buy a few coffees too. The customer has a choice whether to attend and pay the prices asked or not to. No one has to go to soft play or the theme park and no one is entitled to go and saying 'if we paid full price it would be £50!' As if that justifies lying and stealing. Yes, it's £50 but you don't have to go. Like everything else if you don't want to pay or can't pay, you just don't go.

Is it sanctimonious and preachy to say lying about a child's age is theft or wrong? I think it's just being honest. I acknowledge that lots of people do this, but that doesn't make it right or the action not theft. I just think people should be honest with themselves - if you are involved in stealing from soft play or theme parks, be big enough to acknowledge it for what it is.....I suspect that's a bit uncomfortable for lots of people, but I think we need to take responsibility and recognise and acknowledge what our own actions really are. If we steal and don't care, at least have the guts to say it's that,my rather than coming up with nonsense to suggest it's not stealing. So what if a three year old can't go on all the rides or might be napping during most of the day.....totally irrelevant in terms of altering the fact that the business has set a price for that child and by choosing to lie and pay and lower price, the business isn't being paid the price they charge for that age group - same as if you buy a large drink but only pay for a small one - theft, plain and simple.

Yogagirl123 · 16/05/2018 07:30

😂 No I wouldn’t because my kids would drop me right in it! I just know it!

Teateaandmoretea · 16/05/2018 07:43

chocolate based on the definition of what theft means it isn't theft, you have not removed property.

My opinion is that everyone has to live with their own actions and morals. Different people see things differently and really it's as simple as that.

Bbbbbbbb2017 · 16/05/2018 08:02

I dont but my 3 year old is already the size and appearance of a 5 year old and my 1 year old looks like a 3 year old so I would be hard pushed to get away with it.

BelieveAnything · 16/05/2018 08:52

I agree with you Chocolate. If you are going to be dishonest at least own it and stop making up excuses to justify it. It's dishonest to lie about your kids age to get into an attraction however you look at it.

Trying to justify it is a bit pathetic.